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| 197.1 | | HYDRA::LYMAN | Village Idiot | Mon Dec 14 1987 08:50 | 6 |
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Re: .-1
Didn't make the team huh?
Jake
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| 197.3 | For a million/year... are you kidding?? | CASV01::SALOIS | BEWARE!! The TERMINALATEHER!! | Mon Dec 14 1987 12:04 | 9 |
| For the kind of money Vinny Testaverde will make in five years,
you betcha bottom dollar I'd take the chance! The controlled violence
in the game is probably its greatest appeal. Besides, its the big
bucks that make football so popular.
49ers vs Bears!
I'll take the 49ers and give 4 pts.
Money makes the world go round!
Mean Gene!
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| 197.4 | JANUARY 31 is too far away!!! | FSLENG::HEFFERN | | Tue Dec 15 1987 03:13 | 21 |
| Aw leave Football alone! I would think your hostilities would be
directed first at Hockey. I mean, when football players get in
fights (and seriously, with all that padding and protection, what
can they do to each other?) they are broken up immediately. Watch
a fight in hockey. The referees actually *hold back* fellow teammates
from breaking up the fight! And these guys have unprotected faces
and heads. And Basketball, clean! I believe a certain "finger
biting" episode (and countless other infractions) would blow that
theory out. Tell me how your elbow feels when slammed into floor.
Perhaps you don't enjoy it, or some other sports, but calling it's
viewers "moronic" is hitting a little below the belt. Perhaps you
should be penalized! Why not just go out and rake your yard and
forget it's even on.
cj
(for the record, I'm not HEFFERN)
DECXPS::CJACQUES
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| 197.5 | Look behind the scenes... | CASV01::SALOIS | Well, you should see Polythene Pam! | Tue Dec 15 1987 08:16 | 16 |
| .4 Well said. If you don't like it, DON'T watch it!!
As an aside to football; ever watch it and see those commercials
for the National Football League Charities? For a sport that is
'moronic', its participants sure do devote alot of time and MONEY
to worthwile charities like the United Way, MS, American Cancer
Society, Juvenile programs, Drug Abuse programs. Wonder what would
happen if that money generated by the NFL for these charities dried
up?
Again, if you don't like it; don't watch it. Feel free to try and
change it if you like. 63,000 people in Candlestick Park last night
disagreed with you.
FWIW
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| 197.6 | | CEODEV::FAULKNER | Kerry | Tue Dec 15 1987 11:49 | 4 |
| .4 sez it all.
if you don't like something ignore it.
or platitudinously.
Be a Man about it.
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| 197.7 | THINK BEFORE YOU SPEAK | SALEM::STOBER | | Tue Dec 15 1987 12:12 | 19 |
| RE.0
I feel very sorry for you.Open your mind to all the good that
football has done.Such things as charities,benifits,education,yes
education!!Football has given out many oppurtunities to our young
people for it was not for this grand game they would not be able
to afford an education.Football aslo instills into our young the
meaning of such things as sportsmanship,competion,etc.
You have a right to voice your opinion and express it the
way you wish.But,please do all of us a favor and sit back and
get all the facts about the game. These people you call moronic
play this game for a living.This is there livelyhood.Just the same
way you earn your living.Has anyone called you a moron for what
you do.
Football has alot of faults in it but,it still brings alot
of enjoyment to both the players and the fans.And my friend we
are the majority in this issue!!!!!!!!!!
A FAN
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| 197.8 | Its' not a sport, its WAR | PNEUMA::DECAROLIS | | Tue Dec 15 1987 12:22 | 9 |
|
I don't watch because those big strong guys patting each others'
behind looks queer!
I agree with Cosby.....Football is Dumb, but hey, whatever turns
you on.
Jeanne
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| 197.9 | be a *thinking* 'man' about 'it' | XCELR8::POLLITZ | | Tue Dec 15 1987 12:29 | 7 |
| re .4 :-)
re .5 How's Joe Montana this morning?
re .6 Speak for yourself. Ignore *all* unlikeables?
People'd insect on. .0 sez it all.
beep beep,
Russ
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| 197.10 | Dumb? sure, and we love em. | COLORS::MODICA | | Tue Dec 15 1987 13:16 | 10 |
| You know Russ, almost all sports sound pretty dumb when you break
em down. You've got basketball where a bunch of men with hormone
problems wear what looks like underwear while trying to put a ball
into a hole that barely fits it. Or baseball where 7 of the nine
people wait for something to happen while two people play catch
and another tries to stop em. Hockey can be wierd too. As the
saying goes, every now and then, while at a brawl, the strangest
thing happens; a hockey game breaks out.
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| 197.12 | | COLORS::MODICA | | Tue Dec 15 1987 14:05 | 3 |
| Actuall the game probably does give fans something; an indirect
outlet for pent up anxieties and a psuedo-release for violence.
Hmmmm, almost sounds like noting doesn't it?
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| 197.13 | | GENRAL::SURVIL | d|o|g|i|t|a|l | Tue Dec 15 1987 19:02 | 5 |
|
Sounds like someone might wanna lend .0 a dime for the tampoon
machine. |^)
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| 197.14 | fan's and their tampoons | XCELR8::POLLITZ | | Tue Dec 15 1987 19:20 | 5 |
| re .12 yes, rather a bit like these gentle rational seas we
so caringly caress .....
re. 13 Football's not the only 'thing' that is 'Dumb'.
Open wide so I can shove a bunch of u... ones in.
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| 197.15 | Comments and a suggestion or two... | MTBLUE::ROBBINS_GARY | | Wed Dec 16 1987 02:18 | 30 |
| While I'm not a big sportsfan, I do enjoy football. I'd like to
address a few points brought up here.
Injuries - All sports that are played with passion and spirit will
result in injuries. Just like work, when you pull out all the stops
and "go for it", something suffers. With DEC folks it may be spare
time, family, or relationships that suffer for an employee's all
out effort for top performance. In sports, the injuries are physical.
BTW - Not all players are prone to injury. Look at Walter Payton.
The guy has played for 10+ yrs without missing a game.
Intelligence of game/players - Football is a game of strategy as
well as brute force. The timing and execution of some of the plays
are pure poetry...as well planned, practiced, and executed as a
ballet.
Violence - Through the years there have been equipment and rule
changes to protect the players from injury...unfortunatly there
are players that hit harder than before because the protective
equipment has been improved. But I've seen some god-awful hits
that players ahve taken and they just get up and walk away from
with no noticable effects. I think it was the coach of the Eagles
that said "Football is like a war without guns." I think that's
probably true. In a game that involves physical contact there is
bound to be some physical injury.
Re: .13 & .14 - Let's grow up here guys and have an adult conversation.
RE: Speaking out against a sport for it's dumbness and violence;
Why not spend your energy working against professional boxing?
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| 197.16 | A view from across the pond | RDGE00::BOOTH | Deliberately Eclectic Character | Wed Dec 16 1987 11:27 | 26 |
|
Just to stir things up a bit :-)
The Football you refer to is only one of many different sports
all called football. In England football is Association Football,
in Wales it is more often Rugby Union Football, in Australia it
is Australian Rules Football, in parts of Ireland it is Gaelic
Football. There is also Rugby League Football and several other
variations. Most of them have more to do with "foot to ball"
contact than American football. Several codes are, at least to
the casual spectator, at least as violent (and no other code's
player wear the amount of protection that American footballers
do) *but* all these sportsmen know the risks of injury and most
know how to avoid frequent injury. Of course injuries happen,
but injuries happen all the time anyway; people trip over things,
burn themselves, cut themselves, etc., so why avoid playing a
sport because it might hurt you a bit sometimes ? If that's the
way you react to the risk of injury, wrap yourself in cotton
wool and stay in bed.
I have played football (Assciation and Rugby Union) without any
great skill (oh, all right, without *any* skill :-) and managed
to avoid serious injury without even trying. Head for head,
more people get seriously hurt in the home than on the sports
field. (I haven't got the statistics, but I've certainly heard
them.) Risking injury for a little pleasure is not stupid.
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| 197.17 | Football violence | INFACT::VALENZA | Number 12 Looks Just Like You | Wed Dec 16 1987 17:57 | 38 |
| The padding that U.S. football players wear has evolved over the years
as a result of the kinds of injuries that players have suffered. On the
other hand, wearing so much protection probably does inspire a player
to take more risks. In any case, I don't think that American football
players are somehow more ignorant of how to avoid injuries than the
players of the corresponding versions of football in other countries.
I suspect that there are some inherent features of American football
rules that increase the likelihood of injury, despite the fact that it
may not appear any more 'violent' to the casual spectator than other,
similar sports.
Historically, injuries have always been a part of the game. I am not
real sure about this, but I believe that the infamous 'flying wedge',
which was banned a long time ago, involved having a ball carrier follow
a group of blockers whose arms were linked together somehow. The
defensive players had to crash through this, and of course broken arms
were very common. Perhaps someone who is up on football history knows
more about this than I do.
In the early 1900's, the game was extremely brutal. Apparently, or so
the tale goes, when President Theodore Roosevelt saw a picture of a
player being carried off the field, bloody, he threatened to ban the
game unless something was done about it. One resulting rule change was
the forward pass, which is one of the most exciting innovations of
American football.
Compared to the game of those days, modern football seems pretty
tame. People do get hurt, and, because of the nature of the game,
are more likely to get hurt than in other sports, such as baseball
or basketball. But people also do get hurt in those other sports.
It is not the purpose of any of these sports, football included,
to hurt people; injuries are an unfortunate side effect. Of course,
football has its dirty players, but so do other sports.
Life would not be much fun if there were no "dumb", "moronic" things
for us to enjoy.
-- Mike
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| 197.18 | OK, *I'll* Grow Up | XCELR8::POLLITZ | | Thu Dec 17 1987 10:09 | 19 |
| Define: a) What is Sport
b) Benevolent Sports
c) Malevolent Sports
d) Artistic motion; ie 'Pure Poetry' and 'Ballet'
e) Injury Risks in Various Sports
f) Referees and Responsibilities
g) Game Rules and Reasons For Them.
h) Emotional Housework
i) Quality Time
re .15 I'll answer you this weekend. (too long here)
re .16 >.. More people get seriously hurt in the home than on
the sports field.." See h, i, above.
re .17 > It is not the purpose of any of these sports,.. to hurt
people. Hockey ref's let the players duke it out. Why?
See c, g . The fewer 'dumb', 'moronic' things to deal
with in Life, the better.
Russ
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| 197.20 | A calculated risk | RDGE00::EARLY | Every day should be Summer | Thu Dec 17 1987 12:02 | 17 |
| I enjoy watching American Football on Sunday and Tuesday which is
shown over here. (I also realise that basically what we are seeing
are the highlights of the game,the programmes are just over 1 hr
long). Although there are risks, it is my belief that the player
is fully aware of both the best and worst cases and is prepared
to take that gamble.
Recently I watched a programme on TV which gave graphic
accounts of injuries sustained, and interviewed some top ex players,
showing how their lives had been affected. Although it was very
sad to see this does not spoil my pleasure. (I believe it is a
calculated risk which is accepted along with the contract).
(from a relatively new fan who likes watching the best bits)
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| 197.21 | re read .17 | XCELR8::POLLITZ | | Thu Dec 17 1987 15:07 | 8 |
| re .19 In your opinion, are the Sports Football, Hockey, and Boxing
Smart or less smart?
I think most people know the driving points of this discussion.
And would get involved if they felt a more rational discussion
would take place. So let's talk.
Russ
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| 197.22 | 40 More days to Superbowl!!!! | FSLENG::HEFFERN | | Mon Dec 21 1987 00:18 | 13 |
| Well, I just spent another great Sunday watching football.
Three games today!! Starting at 1:00 p.m. and going till almost
midnight tonight. Wasted time? Not with the way I enjoyed it.
Am I moronic? Hardly! Have I release any pent up frustrations?
uh, don't really think so! Not too much in this topic has swayed
me yet. Can't wait till tomorrow night for Monday night football.
I think we're all just beating a dead horse. Hey! Maybe grounds
that's grounds for a new sport! :-)
cj
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| 197.23 | | RANCHO::HOLT | Prismatic Outlook | Mon Dec 21 1987 01:45 | 3 |
|
I'd rather they cover the Tchaikovsky Competition with
half as much zeal as they do the Superbowl..
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| 197.24 | I doubt it........ | CASV02::SALOIS | Well, you should see Polythene Pam! | Mon Dec 21 1987 12:29 | 5 |
| .23 Never happen!
Tchaikovsky doesn't endorse any products!! Where's the advertising?
8*)
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| 197.25 | That's Entertainment | FDCV03::ROSS | | Mon Dec 21 1987 13:57 | 15 |
| RE: *
And for *REAL* excitement, I hope all you folks caught the instant
TV replays of the latest World Chess Championship matches in Seville,
Spain.
Now, when I saw Karpov (I think; it's one of those Russian names
ending in "ov") scooping up his opponent's chess pieces in a frenzy
of blind rage, it brought tears to my eyes - and many, many yawns
to my mouth. (Damn it, there's those flies again. :-)).
Alan
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| 197.26 | | MOSAIC::MODICA | | Mon Dec 21 1987 14:46 | 6 |
| RE: .25 Great! Had me in stitches......
I did tape all 6 buzillion matches though so if you'd
like to see em again, in slo-motion, let me know.
Tonite though, I'm gonna watch the amarica cup races
again, damn, what excitement!
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| 197.27 | My Mom likes it too! | MIST::WOLFF | HECK ON WHEELS..... | Mon Dec 21 1987 16:46 | 31 |
| RE: .0
On the outside, football may seem to be a foolhardy, useless parody
of the human condition. On deeper inspection ,however, one can see
all of the characteristics of one of mans' oldest and most practiced
passtimes...................WAR!
Think about it, everything is involved in football that occurs during
the course of an altercation between two waring nations: (with the
obvious exception of loss of life..)
Defense
Offense
Strategy
Injuries
For as long as man has been around, he has taken joy in using his
mind and body to somehow conquer his enemy; and will continue to
do so for eternity.
I for one get a kick out of following the teams and key players
in an attempt to predict what will happen when two particular teams
meet. Football is a very deep and complex sport with many variables
and intangibles intermixed with human athletic ability (and
disability!)
Recently, however, football has gotten a little too commercial.
It is outrageous to think the Budweiser can sponsor a kickoff!!
Here's to football! GO SEAHAWKS!!!
Dan
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| 197.28 | Yer jest fartin' in the wind. | COMET::BRUNO | Beware the Night Writer! | Mon Dec 21 1987 22:22 | 10 |
|
Well, this topic is printed proof that some noters will attack
anything that is popular and enjoyable. Seems comparable to the
Bill Cosby attacker in soapbox. Luckily, these things, like a bad
burrito, will pass, in time.
Meanwhile, HANG IN THERE, BRONCOS!
Greg
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| 197.30 | Fare thee well, Pats...next year ? | FSLENG::HEFFERN | | Mon Dec 28 1987 03:44 | 17 |
| Well, I wonder how dumb the players who's teams are making it
into the play-offs are feeling today!
Congrats to such teams as New Orleans (I think it was them,
anyways) that have clinched play-off spots for the first
time. How proud those morons must be feeling, eh?
And the Colts, haven't been here in ten years! Oh, but it
is only physical achievement, eh?
And here I am, blowing away another Sunday on football (and
Saturday as a bonus this week! :-) ) I suppose I will get
to my housework sometime before the seasons over, maybe
those weekends I have to wait till the Superbowl.
cj *->
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| 197.31 | round up them broncos | XCELR8::POLLITZ | | Mon Dec 28 1987 21:24 | 18 |
| RE .25 Championship Chess beats American dumbol ANY DAY. Those
2 players are much sharper than any football player alive.
Also, chess is a game/sport of true skill. I've beaten my
share of Masters and drew Spassky once. Let's play at the
next party. I'll drink Russian Vodka while I'm blindfolded.
:-)
RE .26 Got chess FEVER. Now GIVE ME THAT TAPE!!
.27 Point Spreads are too comercial. Great moral builder for
kids of all ages. Funny, can always get line to within a
point. Hard game to figure. :-)
.28 I hope Denver's opponents MASH them into the mud - er I
mean SNOW. Maybe Bronco Billy can dig em out. Maybe I'll
drop by - never know who I might run into. :-)
.29 .18 shows I do care. IN ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION -
a) INJURIES b) WASTED WEEKENDS c) NEGLECTED SO's.
.30 Who's your SO b...... away this weekend? :-)
Next -
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| 197.32 | We can play chess at halftime. | COMET::BRUNO | Beware the Night Writer! | Mon Dec 28 1987 22:32 | 6 |
|
Broncos win another one, Russ. I smell another SuperBowl!
I got the tickets, you wanna join me?
Greg
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| 197.33 | Denver bound! | XCELR8::POLLITZ | | Tue Dec 29 1987 08:06 | 8 |
| RE .32 Yes, of course! Wouldn't miss it for anything, and I
mean ANYTHING in the whole wide World! I'll glance at
the 'other game' :-) every once in a while in between
chess and cheerleader moves. BTW, how DO they keep those
mid-west farmers daughters warm both day & night?
ex Patriot fan,
Russ
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| 197.34 | | CASV02::AUSTIN | | Tue Dec 29 1987 13:09 | 7 |
| RE: .13
Gee, now thats class...
T
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| 197.35 | | GENRAL::SURVIL | d|o|g|i|t|a|l | Tue Dec 29 1987 17:41 | 2 |
|
Denver has no cheerleaders...|^(
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| 197.36 | Does he or doesn't he? | FSLENG::HEFFERN | | Wed Dec 30 1987 02:10 | 16 |
| re .18,.31.33
You know, I find it very hard to follow whether you like the sport
or not. I gather the cheerleaders are the high point of the game
for you. As for your "comment" concerning who my SO is b.... this
weekend (pretty crass if you ask me, but I'll address it), there
are half-time activities that don't include listening to announcers
talk football ;-)
re.34
I find it particularly surprising that that note wasn't jumped all
over by the women, really pretty sexist if you ask me, but don't
ask.
cj
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| 197.37 | | COMET::BRUNO | Beware the Night Writer! | Wed Dec 30 1987 04:03 | 8 |
| Re: .33
Now, Russ, you KNOW we aint considered MIDWEST by any civilized
nations. As fer keepin' farmers daughters warm, I wouldn't know.
You see, ahm a city feller, myself.
Greg
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| 197.38 | 2 sides to a coin | XCELR8::POLLITZ | | Wed Dec 30 1987 09:33 | 13 |
| re .36 I can be serious. The topic has a humorous side. I address
serious notes seriously (usually), and less serious ones
less so. Let's deal with .18 if you want my best.
Personally, I prefer a 3 hour *interest* with SO's than
a 'half-time' one. But to each his own. 1/2 smiley.
re .37 ( advisory: abstract statement #2 for those ....)
Greg, in a way you KNOW that I'd rather some MIDWEST
farmer's daughter's be IN the MIDEAST (ie over THERE)
than smack in the middle over HERE. But alas ... :-) .
Good luck to Elway & Company.
Russ
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| 197.39 | | COMET::BRUNO | Beware the Night Writer! | Wed Dec 30 1987 19:49 | 7 |
|
Re: .38
It isn't luck. Russ.
Greg
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| 197.40 | Lucky Man | XCELR8::POLLITZ | | Wed Dec 30 1987 21:21 | 4 |
| RE .39 When all is said and done Greg, I think we'll be able
to say, " How very lucky I really am."
Russ
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| 197.41 | Counting down...20 days | FSLENG::HEFFERN | | Sun Jan 10 1988 23:50 | 4 |
| Washington vs Denver?
cj
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| 197.42 | | COMET1::AIKALA | Lamborghini Countach under Iacocca. | Mon Jan 11 1988 05:48 | 5 |
| Re: .41
Yeah, okay, fine with me.
Sherm_in_Colorado_kinda_nervous_about Cleveland.
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| 197.43 | watch out behind you! | XCELR8::POLLITZ | | Mon Jan 11 1988 07:26 | 3 |
| re .41-2 well.... maybe Washington :-)
Russ_in_frozen_Mass_more_nervous_about_Mr_Heisman_than_Stupor_final_:-)
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| 197.45 | Viking fever | XCELR8::POLLITZ | | Mon Jan 11 1988 11:48 | 5 |
| re .44 Minnesota 19 Denver 16
Is .18 a thing of the past?
Russ
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| 197.46 | | CEODEV::FAULKNER | GOD, drives a camaro. | Mon Jan 11 1988 17:41 | 5 |
| forgive me if I am wrong but.......
Is not the base note about how domb football is
now being discussed by the writer of that note.
feet planted firmly on both sides of the fence ?
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| 197.47 | | COMET::AIKALA | Lamborghini Countach under Iacocca. | Tue Jan 12 1988 03:03 | 11 |
| re: .43, .44
No, no, no.....I was referring to next weeks game in Denver. We're
taking on Cleveland. They're blocking our view of the superbowl.
I say hit 'em right between the 8 and 10 spot. Watch 'em all
fall down.
P.s. Football ain't dumb. ;^}
Sherman
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| 197.48 | wishy-washy.... | FSLENG::HEFFERN | | Tue Jan 12 1988 04:25 | 15 |
| re. 46
I agree Kerry, methinks the author's loyalty has runamuck.
First he cuts the sport to shreds, then (re.31) wants to see
Denver "MASHED" (such emotion from a non-fan!), can't wait
to go to the Superbowl (re.33) (ok, so maybe he's hot for
cheerleaders....), then is placing his bet in .45.
Shall we change the name of this topic? Seems a little
inappropriate at this point when even the author has gotten
the "Superbowl Fever".
cj
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| 197.49 | housecleaning IS better | XCELR8::POLLITZ | | Tue Jan 12 1988 13:41 | 16 |
| Some replies ARE Dumber than others.....
re .46 You are forgiven. And you are forgiven. Football is
DUMB. I said it in the beginning (.0), the middle (.18),
and at this end (.49). Tackle that.
re .48 Some Conf's allow for *some* humor. And I thank my stars
for this one. :-). I may think football is dumb, but I
don't hate it. Not the players anyway. I mean who could
dislike a Heisman trophy winner who runs 50 yds after a
play's done & tackles a player blindside (back). No way.
BTW; what reward does a guy get if he cleans the house
good. :-).
who's next,
Russ
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| 197.50 | SFA Rools OK | AYOV16::DFLEMING | | Wed Jan 13 1988 05:56 | 27 |
| As an American Football fan from across the pond, I enjoy watching
the game immensely. However for me much of the attraction is comparable
to that of boxing, which I also enjoy. I think most people (many
won't admit it) love to watch other people knocking lumps out of
one another, and for this American football fits the bill.
The game has a much higher danger factor than most. Physical games are
common, most team games include some sort of physical contact, but
American Football is VIOLENT, and very dangerous. 90% of the game
consists of physical contact verging on violence often resulting
in injury. As an active soccer football player I really don't see
how the risk of injury is comparable. Physical violence in this
game is not encouraged and offenders are severely punished. This
applies for most other team sports also.
I don't think the fans are morons, their only following human instinct
after all. On the other hand the players must be dumb. Appart from
the physical abuse they obviously take, the game itself must be
very boring for some. I mean some guys have the job of repeatedly
running into the player in front of them and tackling him, and thats
it for them. For anyone to enjoy that it must take a single figure
iq.
-Dave.
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| 197.51 | | RANCHO::HOLT | United - the US answer to Aeroflot..! | Fri Jan 15 1988 04:11 | 8 |
|
Football hearkens back to our tribal gatherings under our
respective totems ... the roar of the crowd suggests the
masses attending a human sacrifice. But, I suppose it beats
throwing Christians to lions...
Sounds like the Minnesota - 49ers game ... ?
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| 197.52 | Basketball is dumber | SCOMAN::OTENTI | | Sun Jan 17 1988 22:54 | 24 |
| I think football is the *best* sport to watch. The overall talent level of
the players is astonishing to watch and the officiating is the *BEST*, bar
none, of any professional sport. I'm constantly amazed at how good those
receivers are at 'getting both feet in' and how often the refs make the
right call. When you consider the speed of the palyers it's amazing the
refs can consistantly make the correct call when it comes down to a matter
of inches.
Baseball --- *WORST* officiating of all, they miss the close call more
often than they make it (detracts from the game). A good
sport to watch on a lazy Saturday afternoon when you need a
nap before going out Saturday night.
Basketball --A truly dumb sport, too many whistles for too many unseen
infractions. Game has no flow (from a spectator standpoint).
It'll never come close to outpulling Football and Baseball.
Rules should be changed so that game is only 2 minutes long
since 90%+ of the games are decided in the last 30 seconds.
Hockey --- A great game to watch, lots of continuity and action but too
much violence. It scares me to think of the values young
people get from watching the pros beat each over the head
with sticks! Could be a major national sport if they ever
come to grips with the violence problem.
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| 197.54 | a hide is a hide | XCELR8::POLLITZ | | Mon Jan 18 1988 15:49 | 8 |
| re .53 Sigh. I think I forgot that the Redskins can 'scalp'
Bronco hides as well as a Vikings' broadsword.
If Denver wins..... I'll jump off the Mass Ave bridge.
And you can quote me on that.
ps and you can all yell-
"jump, jump, jump." :-) Russ
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| 197.55 | | GENRAL::SURVIL | d|o|g|i|t|a|l | Mon Jan 18 1988 16:12 | 4 |
|
Get your water-tight undies, Pollitz, the skins WILL lose.
Todd
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| 197.56 | | QUARK::LIONEL | We all live in a yellow subroutine | Mon Jan 18 1988 16:49 | 5 |
| Gentlemen (and ladies) - I would appreciate it (and I'm sure so
would many others) if this conversation about rivalries between
football teams was conducted somewhere else other than this
conference. Thanks.
Steve
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| 197.57 | | GENRAL::SURVIL | d|o|g|i|t|a|l | Mon Jan 18 1988 16:55 | 5 |
|
Just discussing football ya know. Oh, I get it, only if we think
football is dumb...
Todd
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| 197.58 | | HIT::GLASER | Steve Glaser DTN 237-2586 SHR1-3/E29 | Mon Jan 18 1988 17:42 | 26 |
| re: 197.54
Somewhat off the immediate subject....
It's comments like that one (... the Redskins can 'scalp'...) that get
the Native Americans upset about using Indians, Redskins, Braves, etc.
as names for sports teams.
These names tend to perpetuate the stereotype that all American Indians
are agressive, warlike people. Not only is this incorrect, but it can
cause create a self-fulfillng prophecy for the current generation.
I wonder how many Black bought into the stereotype that "all Blacks are
shiftless and dumb", how many Gays bought into the sereotype that "all
Gay Men are promiscuous and effeminite", how many Italian Americans
bought into the stereotype that "all Italians are crooks", how many
women bought into the stereotypes that "women can't do math and are
only good for raising kids".
Note that Stanford Univ changed their team name from the Indians to the
Cardinals some time ago (1972?). I heard there was a lawsuit involved,
but don't know the details. A number of high schools have changed
their names, but so far none of the Major League teams have done so.
It's about time they did something.
Steveg
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| 197.60 | | QUARK::LIONEL | We all live in a yellow subroutine | Mon Jan 18 1988 19:00 | 2 |
| It seems to me a topic more suited for some SPORTS conference...
Steve
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| 197.62 | | SCOMAN::OTENTI | | Mon Jan 18 1988 23:56 | 4 |
| re .56 .60
I thought this was MENnote, in my experience men often discuss sporting
events. Seems like a 'normal' male-type discussion to me.
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| 197.63 | | FSLENG::HEFFERN | | Tue Jan 19 1988 06:42 | 13 |
| re.53
Well I'll say it then..."I told you so"!!! First year I've been
right!
re. -1
Well I'm certainly enjoying this "male-type" conversation, even
if I am a very female-type person.
cj
*->
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| 197.64 | Cool your Jets | AYOV16::DFLEMING | | Tue Jan 19 1988 07:36 | 23 |
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HEY COME ON YOU LOT !
The response time when reading this note from Ayr,Scotland is hardly
mind blowing. Any chance of saving me some time and continuing this
rabble in a note of its own.
It often takes me a couple of minutes to read a whole reply I wish
you would all make it worth waiting on.
As far as I can see this note was to discuss the "dumbness" or
otherwise of A. football.
NOT a voice off for rival supporters of superbowl teams,
NOT a discussion of suicidal intentions if your team is beaten
and certainly NOT somewhere to constantly discuss what the subject matter
of the note actually is. Lets end that here and get on with the
real stuff. Lets see how dumb the superbowl is.
- yours patiently,
Dayvee
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| 197.66 | I'll drink to that ! | AYOV16::DFLEMING | He's life Jim, but not as we know it ! | Tue Jan 19 1988 11:20 | 13 |
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RE : .65
HERE HERE ! EVEN DUMBER THAN FOOTBALL PLAYERS.
SORRY ABOUT THE SHORT NOTE FOR THOSE OF YOU WITH A RESPONSE PROBLEM.
Yours, 5 hours ahead,
Dayvee.
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| 197.67 | | GENRAL::SURVIL | d|o|g|i|t|a|l | Tue Jan 19 1988 13:20 | 7 |
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Anyone making over $1 million a year isn't all THAT dumb!
How much do you make?
Todd
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| 197.69 | | GENRAL::SURVIL | d|o|g|i|t|a|l | Tue Jan 19 1988 18:03 | 8 |
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Although superb, they haven't seen a Elway style offense
where they're not sure to cover the QB for the pass, run, option,
scramble, reverse..ect....time will tell.
Todd
Put your money on Denver.
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| 197.70 | Moon over the Rockies | DELNI::FOLEY | Rebel without a Shrew | Tue Jan 19 1988 18:37 | 5 |
| RE: put your money on Denver
I did one time before and lost my pants! {smirk}
mike
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| 197.71 | It's the *fans* who drive me nuts! | BSS::BLAZEK | Dancing with My Self | Tue Jan 19 1988 22:06 | 9 |
| I like Elway and Reeves, but if I hear ONE MORE THING about
those stupid "Three Amigos" I'll jump off the bridge along
with whoever it was who said he'd jump off if Denver wins.
Because I can't take another year of Broncomania here in
Colorado Springs...
Carla
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| 197.72 | Money for Nothing | AYOV11::DFLEMING | Dave the Rave | Wed Jan 20 1988 07:24 | 18 |
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RE. 67
Since when was intelligence directly proportional to income...
OK. In some instances that may be true, like with great scientists
etc. but did you know that the dog (Freeway) in the Hart to Hart
series earned 1500 pounds an appearence, and what about Ronnie Reagan,
he's hardly Mensa material.
Am. Football players don't earn that money because they are
intelligent. They earn it because they have a natural ability for
the game of football, which follows a risky, short career. The're
LUCKY they get paid $1 million +, to do something quite so simple.
- Dave.
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| 197.73 | No brain but I can note | HYDRA::LYMAN | Village Idiot | Wed Jan 20 1988 09:32 | 13 |
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Re: .72
Why does everone like to put down those people who make a living
using their natural abilities or good looks, rather than just
their minds. You are born with a certain amount of beauty (?),
ability, and intelligence, and there is no reason why you shouldn't
make the best use of what you've got to get ahead. Things that
don't require intelligence to perform are not necessarily stupid.
Sex for instance.
Jake
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| 197.74 | Maybe they will learn. | AYOV11::DFLEMING | Dave the Rave | Wed Jan 20 1988 10:05 | 22 |
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Sigh !
The eternal argument raises its head once again.
Are we born dumb, or is it something that we learn...
Is everyone born a potential Einstein...
Could I learn to be dumb...
who cares....
I was'nt calling American footballers stupid. I was merely pointing out
that the previous noters assumption was mistaken.(i.e. Income is
proportional to intelligence). Of course we should exploit the
physical qualities we are attributed with, but the fact remains
that some professions require greater intelligence than others.
I PERSONALLY believe that to play a sport which includes a high
risk of serious injury is not something that is pursued by those
with higher intelligence. Remember we are talking about sport here
not necessarily what our chosen career is.
-Dave.
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| 197.75 | sports has nothing to do with IQ | ANGORA::BUSHEE | George Bushee | Wed Jan 20 1988 12:47 | 6 |
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RE: .74
Think again, some of the players of football have high IQ's,
law degrees, doctor degrees, etc. A person that is good in
sports isn't always a person with a zero IQ.
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| 197.76 | College has SOMETHING to do with IQ | FROST::WHEEL | Master Card, Excite Me! | Wed Jan 20 1988 13:33 | 23 |
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Re: .74
George,
Think about this view point. I agree that "...A person
that is good in sports isn't always a person with a zero IQ.",
but just how does a football player get into the NFL? First
it's by playing football in high school, then by playing college
football. If they are lucky enough to be spotted by a scout,
they could be picked to play in the NFL. How does someone that
has been through high school and college (maybe not completed
college) get to where they are with a ZERO IQ???
Just a thought...
Don't get me wrong. I still love the game.
Dan
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| 197.77 | Or Grampa after a week of constipation? | HYDRA::LYMAN | Village Idiot | Wed Jan 20 1988 14:14 | 8 |
| Re: .74
> Sigh !
"Sigh!"???? Isn't that what little kids say when they find
out that nobody wants to play with them again today?
Jake
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| 197.79 | | GENRAL::SURVIL | d|o|g|i|t|a|l | Wed Jan 20 1988 16:06 | 5 |
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And when the Skins lose, will you be here as well? Somehow
I doubt it.
Todd
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| 197.81 | Anybody wanna play ! | AYOV11::DFLEMING | The Sisco KID Rides Again | Thu Jan 21 1988 07:11 | 30 |
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RE. 55
My idea was that, there were two ways through the American college
system,
1. You are accepted onto a degree course due to your previous academic
performance, and your interest in the degree subject.
2. You are gifted at a certain sport, of which the college has an
interest in, and you need to join a degree course (any course) to
get into college to further your career in that sport.
I understood the second option does not require the same academic
qualifications (Relevant intellect).
Correct me if I'm wrong.
------------------------
RE. 77
I thought "Sigh" was an onomatopoeic word often used, by all age
groups, to express boredom.
Should'nt we be keeping to the point here.
-Dave
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| 197.82 | | CALLME::MR_TOPAZ | | Thu Jan 21 1988 08:43 | 6 |
| The Burpee's catalog should be arriving any day now. Lots
of new varieties of tomatoes this year.
When is do you all plant your lima beans?
--Mr Topaz
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| 197.83 | A B.A. in Basketball? | MSDOA1::CUNNINGHAM | | Thu Jan 21 1988 13:37 | 21 |
| I have known a few athletes and I learned something from them.
There are a lot of people with physical ability. Knowing how to
use that ability better than others with simular ability requires
a lot of hard work and intelligence. The compitition is so tough
that the cream of physical and mental ability rises to the top.
When I went to college it was perfectly alright to major in
music, and even specialize in a particular instument. I had friends
who majored in art and some who majored in Drama and earned college
credits acting in school plays. If these "approved" subjects are
given so much accreditation, why can't someone go to college and
major in football or basketball? Some have argued that there is
no great need for graduates with these degrees, but so what? There
is no great need for Drama and music majors too, but we are allowed
to study it if we want to. I feel like colleges need to get off
their high horse and acknowledge the amount of intellectual as well
as physical work that goes into being a top notch player. Then
maybe professional athletes would get the credit for brains they
deserve, and we could leave the "dumb athlete" stereotype behind.
DRC
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| 197.84 | | INFACT::VALENZA | Toledo has nice parks | Thu Jan 21 1988 18:56 | 9 |
| Who says professional football players are dumb? It takes a certain
amount of intelligence to memorize the large number of offensive
or defensive plays in a team's playbook. Players have to be able
to react quickly to changing situations. A quarterback has to be
able to recognize the blitz and call an audible, on the fly, within
seconds, before the play clock has expired. NFL football is not
just a mindless sport played by a groups of semi-literate idiots.
-- Mike
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| 197.85 | Are footballs washed in tomato juice??? | BSS::BLAZEK | Dancing with My Self | Thu Jan 21 1988 19:55 | 4 |
| re: .82 (Mr Topaz)
What????
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| 197.86 | Hog the Bowl... | FSLENG::HEFFERN | | Fri Jan 22 1988 05:28 | 7 |
| WASHINGTON all the way!!! Couldn't stand listening to anymore
"Elway" talk anyways. The announcers are so crazy over him,
I'm sick of him. Always loved the Redskins anyways.
re.70
oh yea? where you watching the bowl this year? ;-)
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| 197.87 | Broncos stomp hogs routinely. | COMET::BRUNO | Beware the Night Writer! | Sat Jan 23 1988 01:19 | 5 |
|
SMILE, when you say that, feller.
Greg
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| 197.88 | | BSS::BLAZEK | Dancing with My Self | Sat Jan 23 1988 12:21 | 14 |
| *RAH* RAH* Washington! My day was made this morning when I
went to the store in my U of Washington sweatshirt and an
older lady mistook it for the Redskins and shyly said "Go
Washington!" =8*) Saying that in Colorado Springs to the
wrong person might net you a bop over the head (or worse).
Besides, I went to high school with the back-up quarterback
for the Redskins and we even had lockers next to each other
for three years. Wish I could use my influence with him to
nab a couple Superbowl tickets, but our 10-year reunion is
still three years away...
Carla
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| 197.89 | Turncoats, traitors, torries and commies. | COMET::BRUNO | Beware the Night Writer! | Sat Jan 23 1988 19:50 | 7 |
|
Re: Carla
Grrrrrrrrr!
Greg
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| 197.90 | | BSS::BLAZEK | Dancing with My Self | Sun Jan 24 1988 11:13 | 5 |
|
Oh no, is my halo crooked??? 08*)
Carla
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| 197.92 | Superbowl XXIII...Green Bay vs. Tampa Bay 8*) | CASV01::SALOIS | 1 | Mon Jan 25 1988 08:28 | 11 |
| This Stuporbowl could be worse than the Chicago - New England blowout!!
Jimmy the Geek where are you when we don't need you??
Yes, folks, you heard it here first.....
DENVER by an easy 11!!!!
_pRoBaBlY_eNd_Up_EaTiNg_My_HaT_!!
Here's to 10 hours of pre-game shows and a never empty cooler
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| 197.93 | ballet & badminton divine! | XCELR8::POLLITZ | | Mon Jan 25 1988 20:29 | 21 |
| How much money is going to be wasted on this worthless
annual 'sports event' this year? Tens of millions? And
how many people are going to watch this 4 hour piece of
egotistical male morass of garbage? Not me!
I'll be playing badmitten in a new club I've joined. It's a
really nice, graceful sport. Plenty of 'artistic motion' and
'ballet.' As a matter of fact I'll be entering the local school
of ballet seeing that some sports meet my distinguished standards
of grace and discipline. And beauty.
Send me a line when the game's over - I'll have the tea ready
while you're putting on your tights and ballet shoes.
ps You may also practice your serve
with my badminton set by the indoor
pool. Be sure the dog doesn't steal
the shuttlecock. They're more import-
ant to me than all the footballs
ever thrown. football - ahem!
Russ
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| 197.94 | Ballet -- a sport? | SCOMAN::OTENTI | | Tue Jan 26 1988 20:31 | 9 |
| < Note 197.93 by XCELR8::POLLITZ >
-< ballet & badminton divine! >-
> 'ballet.' As a matter of fact I'll be entering the local school
> of ballet seeing that some sports meet my distinguished standards
> of grace and discipline. And beauty.
Ballet is not a sport although those guys/gals are incredibly conditioned and
make the average pro athelete look like a couch potato!
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| 197.95 | Let's do some flag-waving. | COMET::BRUNO | Beware the Night Writer! | Tue Jan 26 1988 22:59 | 21 |
|
Re: .93
Russ, this annual sports event does a good deal to bolster
a flagging economy. The hundreds of millions of dollars which change
hands throughout the playoffs and Superbowl are a boon to this nation.
The advertisements come from companies who usually sit on their
large monetary reserves, and go to lots of TV commercial producing
folks, and glitzy, free-spending ad agencies. The betting money
comes from people who might otherwise spend their money on silly
things like rent, and goes to people who support the beer and
Cheetos industries. That is why football is so patriotic.
Re: .91
The turncoat reference has nothing to do with the location
of the teams, but the location of the noter. Carla is out here
with us in Colorado. @#*%!
Greg
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| 197.96 | Emotional Inner Housework | XCELR8::POLLITZ | | Wed Jan 27 1988 12:33 | 12 |
| Re .95 Unfortunately I believe that betting 'contributes'
more to personal self delusions moreso than it helps
the economy. I have heard that drug 'money' is 10% of
the U.S. economy. Does anyone care? No. Why? Because
money is viewed as an important foundation (of sorts)
by many people.
Non-fiscal values will never replace the "On Wall St.
today" news reports because too many people have
'investments' out there. How many Americans have invest-
ments inside (their minds) ? Not enough. Not enough.
Russ
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| 197.97 | I SIMPLY LOVE IT ! | VAXUUM::MUISE | | Wed Jan 27 1988 13:52 | 6 |
|
Watching football is the third most enjoyable thing I do in life.
jacki
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| 197.98 | | GENRAL::SURVIL | d|o|g|i|t|a|l | Wed Jan 27 1988 17:03 | 12 |
|
RE:Russ
Ok, so don't watch it. Go play bad mitten or something.
Geezz, am I suppose to feel bad or something 'cause YOU don't
like dootball?? (I'm rolling)
RE:Jacki, Greg
Touche!
Todd
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| 197.99 | dressing for the wardance | XCELR8::POLLITZ | | Wed Jan 27 1988 17:37 | 17 |
| Re .97 Is shopping the first...or second most enjoyable
thing you most like to do?
Myself noting is the third most enjoyable thing
I do in life. Throwing rotten tomatoes at Elways
boys Sunday will be the second.
Why will denver lose _ I'll tell you why --
It's been a long season for that Mid-west survivor.
Just like the drink with the same name - with the
Orange Crush the longer you have it around, the
flatter it gets.
Those Oranges that are about to be peeled - I salute
thee!
Gibbs boy Russ
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| 197.100 | There WILL be partying in Colorado. | COMET::BRUNO | Beware the Night Writer! | Thu Jan 28 1988 02:48 | 8 |
|
RE: .99
I knew you had secret longings for football, Gibbs boy. You
just don't like the REAL teams. Prepare to eat a crow buffet.
Greg
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| 197.101 | | FSLENG::HEFFERN | aka decxps::cjacques=midnight rider | Thu Jan 28 1988 05:04 | 12 |
| re.99
...Is shopping the first...or second most enjoyable thing
you most like to do?
Certainly hope you know that Jacki likes to shop, otherwise
sounds like quite a stab.
You seem to think you know a lot about a sport you supposedly
dislike, or are you just doing a little dance for us?
cj
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| 197.102 | bury my heart at wounded knee | XCELR8::POLLITZ | | Thu Jan 28 1988 08:05 | 11 |
| re .101 You sound like my entry insulted you or something.
I thought .97 invited some lite humor - so I threw
some in.
God knows I've tried.
*
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*--> RP <--*
^^^^^^
||||||
******
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| 197.103 | Which way is the wind blowing Russ? | ANNEX::GROARK | | Thu Jan 28 1988 14:21 | 11 |
| RE: All the trash that Russ has input thus far.
Russ you sound like a lonely immature boor. First you can't deceide
whether or not you hate football. Then you inform us that noting
is you third favorite thing to do. I think football requires a lot
more thought than reading the diarrhea that spews from your keyboard.
I think it's time that I take Kerry's advice and ignore things that
irritate me.
Have a nice day Russ.
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| 197.105 | ................. | XCELR8::POLLITZ | | Thu Jan 28 1988 16:45 | 26 |
| re .103 The book 'Listen Little Man' by Wilhelm Reich (1945)
has a neat little passage:
"After..having driven the ..man into loneliness, you forgot
what you did to him. All you did was to utter other nonsense,
to commit another little meaness, to administer another deep
hurt. You forget. But it is of the nature of the great men
not to forget, but also not to take revenge, but, instead,
to try to UNDERSTAND WHY YOU ACT SO SHABBILY. I know that
this also is alien to your thinking and feeling. But believe
me: if you inflict pain a hundred, a thousand, a million times,
if you inflict wounds that cannot heal--even though the next
moment you no longer know what you did--the great man suffers
for your misdeeds in your place, not because these misdeeds
are great, but because they are petty.
He would like to know what moves you to do things like these:
to smear your marital partner because he or she has disappointed
you; to look with scorn on a kind person and to exploit him;
*to take where you are given and to give where it is demanded
of you, but never to give where you are given with love; to
give another kick to the fellow who is down or about to go
down*; to lie where truth is required, and always to persecute
truth instead of the lie."
Russ
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| 197.107 | | NCVAX1::COOPER | If that's love, I'll take lunch! | Mon Feb 01 1988 13:24 | 2 |
| i agree with title
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| 197.108 | *YAY REDSKINS* | BSS::BLAZEK | Dancing with My Self | Mon Feb 01 1988 16:59 | 17 |
| re: .106 (Mike Z.)
No, his name is Mark Rypien. He was next to Gibbs (not in
uniform), and during the 2nd quarter I saw more air-time of
him than of Elway.
For the first time in a month I delight in watching the local
news and am joyously reading the Sports section!!!!
re: .100
>> There WILL be partying in Colorado.
There is, but only for us "turncoats"!!!!
Carla
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| 197.109 | Roamin' Numerals | INFACT::VALENZA | uzilevski at editions limited | Mon Feb 01 1988 17:35 | 9 |
| Well, the final score of Super Bowl XXII is XLII to X. The Ist
quarter belonged to Denver, but the IInd to Washington. Doug Williams
passed for CCCXL yards, a Super Bowl record, including an LXXX yard
pass from the Washington XX yard line, which tied a Super Bowl record.
Number VII on the Denver team, John Elway, did not fare so well.
All the Broncos fans can say is, "Wait until MCMLXXXIX".
-- Mike
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| 197.111 | It was fixed ! | MTBLUE::ROBBINS_GARY | | Tue Feb 02 1988 03:05 | 11 |
| I think the BIG winners in StuporBowl 22 were the Broncos...they
bet BIGBUCKS on the Redskins to win, then took a dive !!
I find it hard to believe Washington was THAT much better than Denver!
I watched both playoff games and thought Denver was the better team.
And they get to the StuporBowl for the second year in a row and
get blown out again ?????
I_like_football_but_not_the_StuporBowl !!!
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| 197.113 | Didn't take long for me to recover, though | BSS::BLAZEK | Dancing with My Self | Wed Feb 10 1988 20:58 | 9 |
| re: .110 (mike z)
>> Elway's first pass...=8*O
Pretty darn close, Mike! Just add beer dribbling down my
chin with the shock and that was me!!!
Carla
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| 197.114 | from atlanta- where the falcons stink | SAHQ::CARLSON | Colour the Wind | Fri Apr 01 1988 11:35 | 11 |
|
back to the original subject:
I love football! We always enjoy football weekends. Makes me
think of crisp weather, beer, popcorn, etc.
That's the only *ball* game I enjoy watching on t.v.
Yes, we're true fans - couch potatoes!
theresa.
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| 197.115 | **** WHAT DO YOU MEAN HOSTILITIES AGAINST HOCKEY*** | BRMUDA::BELANGER | | Tue Jul 12 1988 19:00 | 16 |
| I GUESS YOU DID NOT MAKE THE HOCKEY TEAM!!!!!!!!!!!
FOOTBALL IS A GREAT SPORT IF YOU HAVE NO COORDINATION
AND CAN'T SPELL THE WORD PUCK! ICE HOCKEY IS ONE OF THE MOST DEMANDING
SPORTS WHEN IT COMES TO COORDINATION AND ALL AROUND ATHLETIC ABILITY.
THE REASON THE REFEREES HOLD BACK PLAYERS FROM BREAKING
UP A FIGHT IS BECAUSE THAT IS THE REFEREES JOB, EVEN THOUGH I THINK
FIGHTING RUINS THE SPORT. SOME PEOPLE JUST GET CARRIED AWAY!!
MARK
P.S. THIS HAS BEEN WRITTEN UNDER
ANOTHER USERS ACCESS. WE
WILL TALK MORE WHEN I FINALLY
GET MY OWN ACCOUNT!!!!!!!!!!
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