Conference quark::mennotes-v1

Only a fool would try to restore hair just when Bruce Willis is making
 receding hairlines fashionable!
  <_Started_Balding_at_19_>

    Re: .2
    
    	What the h*ll does a Bruce Willis have to do with anything?
    Should we really care about fashion relative to his topic?  I don't
    think so.  My hairline is my hairline.  It is not a refelction of
    me, unless I plaster three strands across my pate, wear a toup,
    etc.  The only person who is truly aware of a man's hairline is
    the man who has it.

    Re:0
    
    Well, you know what they say - what can you lose that you haven't
    lost already? 
    I for one would gladly become unfashionably hirsute if given the
    chance.
    
    

    
    I saw a show with another product that was developed out of the
    Helsinki study.  It is called "New Generation".  Same claims,
    same cost, trial period, etc... with the guarantee.  It does not
    grow hair, they say it uses particular chemicals to clean and
    rejuvenate the hair follicles.  If the follicle can be saved it
    will again produce hair.  Some people it does work for and some
    it doesn't.  I was impressed with the show and testimonies and tried
    to talk a friend into giving it a try.  If anyone is interested
    the number for this product was 1-800-228-1300.
    
    If its that important I'd say give it a try, you can get your money
    back up to 4 mos. after purchase.  3 mo. supply, one month grace
    period.  Remember, they state it will not work for everyone. It
    might be nice for someone to try it with the assumption that it
    won't work and report findings to us later.
    
    I am fortunate not to need their services at the present.
    
                                       Mark
    

    The Upjohn Co. has developed a hair restorer that is available by
    doctor's prescription. Apparently it has good results. 
    
    But I LIKE my head the way it is. Bald is sexier, easy to take
    care of, and always stylish. I have no desire to have a full head
    of hair again. 
    
    See the next reply .....
    
    -bs

    
    
      .... the rest She covered with hair.
      
    -bs

{RE .3} - Sneer.
 <_Jym_(Practicing_His_Bruce_Willis_Look)_>

    There is a song by a guy named Cleanhead with these lyrics:
    
    "I've been hugged kissed and petted, till all my hairs been rubbed
    away"
    
    Maybe staying bald is a form of bragging :*) Liesl

    Just one ladies point of view......
    
    Bald is sexy.....I think the worst sight is a man sticking long
    strands across his head to try to fill in.
    
    kathie
                                              

    Worse than long strands is a guy who combs his hair forward and
    curls it around over the bald area. I also think the doted lines
    produced by hair transplants don't look all that great.
    
    I wish guys who were bald could be happy with themselves the way
    they are. I met my husband after he was bald and I think he is quite
    handsome. I really think it is not what a guy has on his head but
    what kind of person he is inside that really matters.
    
    Bonnie

    There is also the old line that men who are bald in front are thinkers.
    Men who are bald in back are sexy. Of course, men who are bald in
    front and back only think they are sexy......
    
    
    Denny
    (I know I have hair... are you sure it's all gone?)

Bruce is about to release his first album, "The Return of Bruno."

Rumor has it he and Cybil are going to "get horizontal" in the upcoming season.
 <_Jym_>

    
    This doesn't belong here, how 'bout UCOUNT::TV.  However,  they did
    get "horizontal" in the episode take off (very lose take off) of
    "Tamming of the Shrew".  But not as David and Maddie.
    
    Keith
    

    Rather than always trying to restore hair, we should concentrate
    on preventing baldness if that's a problem for you.  I am amoung
    the fortunate ones that is pretty far along in the balding process
    and have been for many years (I'm not telling how many years).
    
    One means of slowing the process is to move the bed a little farther
    away from the wall (If you get my drift)

    Male pattern baldness is genetic and can no more be prevented
    than your height or the color of your eyes.

    Thank you Steve, nice to know we're still friends (I think?)
    
    As I recall it, 20% of all men will go bald before they turn
    21, another 40% will gbald before they turn 60 and the remaining
  40%   will keep their hair until they die.
    
    So if you have reached your 40's with your hair intact, the odds
    are good that you won't loose it. 
    
    I put a discription of the genetic nature of the inheritance
    of baldness in the other note for men just before it closed.
    If anyone is inerested I'll describe it agin here. It is *not*
    inherited only through the mother like color blindness and 
    hemophilia (bleeders disease).
    
    My husband went bald before I met him and I really wouldn't
    want him to change. I like kissing the top of his head! :-)
    He asked me if he should use the medication that will soon be
    available to grow his hair back and I'd really rather he didn't.
    (Of course that was before I made an *ahem* mistake with the
    clippers last weekend, he now looks like Kojak with a beard, which
    I definitely don't like!) 

    Bonnie

    
    	Well,  I guess I fall in the first 20 %.  I started losing my
    hair when I was 18.  7 years later, it has lost some considerably.
    I use to part my hair in the middle until about 3 years ago.  When
    I started getting my hair cut over-the-ear, parted on the side,
    and thinned out (I HAD extremely thick hair), I never realized how
    much haior I had actually lost.  My shower drain wouldn't close
    because of the hair.  Well, I know I have to live with it, but
    it causes a minor psychological effect on me. I mean after all
    I've been told I have a good build, nice legs, cute, BUT never
    about my baldspot, or receding hair line, which has become a sensitive 
    issue for me.  
    
    I use the excuse:
    
    	I'm bald because the people behind me when I'm driving,
    	burned the back of my hair with their hi-beams 8*)....
    
    
    				Mike
    

    
    	RE:-1
    
    	Or is because you've been doing too many U-turns under the sheets,
    	Mike? |^)
    
    	Todd

    I used to lose a lot of hair and clog the shower drain.  Then, one
    day, a friend turned me on to a shampoo that doesn't have all of
    the detergents that make hair fall out.  Its called 'Matrix' and
    is only sold be hair salons.  Nexus might have an equivalent.  Talk
    to a hair dresser about it.  Since using Matrix, I hardly lose any
    hair anymore, its a definite improvement.  No more clogged drains.
    
    Spence
    

I'm telling ya, guys, check out ABC on Tuesday nights!

First ya got Bruce Willis, who's not only got a teevee show going, he's doing
 Seagram's commercials and starting a musical career.  And he's been teamed up
  with Cybill Shepherd (and, as predicted, they "got horizontal" a few weeks
   ago) - who's alright if you're into women who for years say they avoid red
    meat and then suddenly say they don't trust anybody who doesn't eat ham-
     burgers and then say in _Family_Circle_ that they're staying away from
      red meat and then say via a Beef Industry Council press release that
       they're not.

Uh, where was I?  Oh, yes . . .

So Bruce and Cybill get horizontal, and then we see the debut of a show
 featuring another balding guy and his computer-enhanced alter-ego (also
  balding, of course).  Rumor has it that both of these guys are going to
   be involved in a bizarre love triangle with Amanda Pays, who, according
    to _Vogue_, "exemplifies the modern woman - feminine but not dependent,
     attractive but not overly 'done.'"

The surf's up, fellas.  Wear your receding hairlines with pride and c-c-c-catch
 the wave!
  <_Jym_>

P.S.:  For those of you who are unfortunate enough not to be balding, there
 *is* hope.  A new wonder tonic from Sweden kills your hair follicles and gives
  you that hairline that will bring women - especially the exemplary modern
   ones and the ones that aren't quite sure whether or not they eat red meat -
    coming in droves.  Or you can accept yourself as you are!  Why, there are
     plenty of unbalding role models setting shining examples.  (Well, maybe
      not *shining* examples.  Chromedomes *are* better at that, after all.)
       Just think about heroes like Barry Manilow and Mike Dukakis; do you see
	them moping around just because they can't get their hair to fall out?

    I always found bald heads sexy and beautiful.
    
    				
    			

    Re.: .7
    
    Upjohn's "hair restorer" is the antihypertensive drug minoxidil
    in a topical formulation.  As of today it is still not approved
    for sale for use in baldness in the USA.  It is approved in Canada
    as Regaine (the US name will be Rogaine). In 33% of the men tested
    no hair grew, in 33% very fine (villous) hair grew and the remaining
    third had "satisfactory" hair growth.  Nifty thing (for Upjohn)
    if you stop smearing the stuff on your head your new hair falls
    out.  Price expected to be several hundred to a thousand dollars
    per year.   
    
    American Cyanamid (Lederle Labs) has two products in the pipeline.
    One is an antihypertensive prostaglandin analog in a topical
    formulation.  While doing the clinical trials (human testing) they
    noticed that the control group rubbing the carrier formulation without
    the drug into their heads were also growing hair - not as much as
    the group with the drug but more than the guys who weren't using
    anything.
    
    When my back bald spot reaches my fromt bald spot, I start to save
    on haircuts.
    
    Frank

    
    re.: .25
    
    	any new news or developments of these products??

    I started to lose hair when I turned 19 and am now in my mid thirtys.
    The bald spot on the back of my head grew from a cute 1/2 inch diameter
    to about a 4 1/2 inch circle. Also my hair continually grew thin.
    Sometime it bothers me and other times it doesn't. My closest friends
    that like to comment on my bald spot bought me the Helsinki formula
    as a joke after I mentioned the article I saw on TV.
    
    In the mail came 2 bottles. Shampoo and conditioner. You rub a few
    drops of conditioner on your head before you shower and then use
    the shampoo. After showering, while your hair is still damp you
    rub more conditioner in the hair. This stays with you all day. At
    night just before bed you add a few drops to the "trouble spots".
    
    The 2 bottles are supposed to last 3 months with a money back
    guarentee. I felt stupid to try the stuff and my 11 year old daughter
    gets the biggest kick out of me trying to grow hair. Does it work????
    
    During the last 2 months my hair stopped falling off on the pillow
    and alot less is left in the tub after a shower. Little wispy hair
    strands are starting to grow where there was no growth for many
    years. I see new hair. What started out to be a joke might really
    work.
    
    I do have some questions:
    
             1. The 2 bottles last 3 months for $40. What happens if
                I stop using it. Do I have to use it forever?
    
             2. If I stop using it, what will happen to the new growth.
    
             3. Do u-turns under the sheets,bumping the headboard with
                with your head or high beams really cause bauldness.
                ( I always thought it was from continually falling on
                my head while skiing.)
                                               Bill

          <   1. The 2 bottles last 3 months for $40. What happens if
          <      I stop using it. Do I have to use it forever?
                 
          Yup. 
          
          <   2. If I stop using it, what will happen to the new growth.
          
          It will either turn green or fall out.
          
          

    Baldness is caused by excess system testosterone. It is inherited
    from either of your parents (not just your mother like 'bleeders
    disease', or color blindness). It is more strongly expressed in men
    than in women because men naturally produce more testosterone
    than women. Something like 20% of all men go bald by 19 to 20, another
    40 % by the time they are in their 60s and the remaining 40 % keep
    all their hair all their lives. Being married into a family where
    my husband, his brothers his father, grand father and uncles are
    all bald (and it looks like our 18 year old son is starting to lose
    his hair in the front) I personally think that baldheaded men are
    every bit as attractive or more so than those with a full head of
    hair. :-)  :-) Women who inherit the baldness genes tend to have
    thin hair rather than losing their hair.
    
    Bonnie J
    
    I am curious as to how other people feel about men who have lost
    considerable hair who comb side hair over the top.

    
    RE: .28   Where did you get your information ?
    
    RE: .29   I think combing the side hair over the top to cover the
    bald area isn't attractive at all. I would rather leave the bald
    spot as it is.
                                           Bill

   re .31 As far as I know Mike you are correct - my tendancy is
    to give the simplest explaination when I am writing at work -
    no references handy. :-)
    
    also in re .30 in re .28 what Bob said, that a man will have
    to continue to apply minoxidil for the rest of his life to keep
    the hair is consistant with everything I have read about it.
    
    as to combing the hair over...I think going with the natural
    hair line is much more attractive...and I wish I could quitely
    tell gentlemen that :-).
    
    Bonnie

    There is no monoxidil in the conditioner or shampoo.The conditioner
    contains:
                Purified water, polysorbate, boitin,niacin, methyl parabin,
    and natural fragrences.
    
    The shampoo contains:
                              Purified water, olefinsulfate, herbal
    extract of chammomile, aloe vera gel, cocamidopropyl betaine, keratin
    amino proteins, alantoin, d-panthenol, glycerine, jojoba oil, wheat
    germ oil, vitamins a, d, and e, biotin,polysorbate,nucleic acids,
    folic acid, methyl paraben and natural fragrences.
                                                             Bill

    RE: .34
    
           The new hair started very fine and light colored. (I have
    dark brown hair). Some of the strands have grown to approx 1 inch
    and have turned darker (much like the rest of the hair) and looks
    healthier. Its hard to tell whats happening to the existing hair
    which bordered the bald spot. It doesn't look any better or worse.
    I've only used the treatment for 2 months and have seen new growth
    but nothing to write home about yet. My daughter and wife say they
    see some hair growth but far too soon to notice any difference from
    arms length.
                                   Bill

    RE:.36
    
    Mike,
          My daughter is the camera person. We have taken pictures
    three different times.
                             1. Just before first treatment
                             2. After 1 month of treatement
                             3. After 2nd month of treatment
    The pictures really don't show any changes or growth yet but close
    visual scrutiny does. My daughter is getting the biggest kick out
    of taking the pictures.
                                 Bill

    	To Bill Lampros and others who choose to fight advancing baldness,
    I wish you all the success you desire but I don't understand why
    you would bother.  I have just enough hair for it to be a nuisance
    - barbers must still be a part of my life.      
    
    	I appreciate there is a stigma in our society concerning baldness
    but I steadfastly refuse to give in to it.  I also appreciate that
    many women do not share Bonnie's opinion concerning the 'beauty'
    or attractiveness of baldness (just listen to the WRKO HotLine
    any Saturday morning).          
    
    	Many women have given in to societal pressures that they color
    their hair, shave their legs/underams, mear makeup, and do so many
    other 'things' to their natural beauty.  It appears a lot of men
    are beginning to do the same.  'Tis sad, 'tis sad.  Whose body am
    I searching for if not my own.  My body includes a certain amount
    of hair, a certain type of complexion, a certain height, etc.  As
    long as I have done my best to maintain my body naturally then I
    have no difficulty accepting it as it is.  If I eat too much, don't
    exercise sufficiently to maintain some muscle tone, etc. then I
    have some work to do.  But having little or no hair is of no
    importance since it is the natural state for me.
    
    Douglas

    Doug,
          Well said. Although I agree with you, If you truly feel that
    having more hair willmake you look more attractive and you do nothing
    apparent that is harmful to your health and well being, Why not
    give it a try. If growing hair works, fine, if it doesn't then I'm
    perfectly happy with my self the way I am. My friends will always
    accept me the way I am. 
                                      Bill

    I wondered where all those missing mail messages had been going,
    but I guess it must be something in the ancestry of my system.
    
    --bonnie

I personally think that a balding man with confidence is very sexy.

HOWEVER, my husband isn't happy at all with his thinning hair.  He
is scheduled to see a Dr. in Denver, CO (we're in the Springs) about
hair transplants.  Does anyone out there have experience with that?

He has tried New Generation, Nexus Biotin shampoo, and Minoxidil.

Please, I'm not looking for commentary on why he should be happy
anyhow, I am looking for information from anyone who has had this
procedure and who could comment on the results.  Negative input as
well as positive input is welcome.  We get CS so have also read
that article.

Please answer in private if you are more comfortable.

Thanks,

Liz
COOKIE::WILCOX
TIBBIE::WILCOX

    God only made a few *perfect* heads.
    
    	The rest He covered with hair!
    
    
    ;-)
    tony

    Well, came across this Chinese herbal tonic called "101". A friend
    of mine used it and there is actually hair growing (sprouting) after
    3 months. Cost around HK$560 per bottle (about US$100). Are they
    marketing it there yet?

    
    I haven't seen it, but Mt View has multitudes of Chinese herbalists
    to check on.
    
    How long does a bottle last, and what does it contain?

    The AMA (American Medical Association, a professional society of
    doctors) doesn't do drug testing.  The FDA (Food and Drug
    Administration) does.  I have not heard of this other drug undergoing
    any tests, but I admit I don't follow this particular subject too
    closely.
    
    					Steve

    I don't know about this other stuff, but if you go to the Bahamas
    you can buy products containing monoxidil over the counter.  Get
    a tan and hair at the same time.
    
    Craig

    Personally, I'm waiting for Grecian Formula to come out with a drain
    cleaner.  (P-)
    
    Bob

    Has anyone tried vivagen?  My hair is thinning so my barber told
    me to try it.  I've used it for about a month.  It will not grow
    hair but is suppose to keep what's there in place.  I'm not sure
    if it will but I do like it because my hair feels healthier, thicker
    and easier to manage.  It cost about $60.00 for a 3 month supply.
    You wash your hair with their shampoo and then put on their conditioner
    which you do not rinse out.  This is done every day for the first
    2 months and then every other day after that.

    Don't know if this has been mentioned before....
    
    The hottest selling hair-restorer in a long, long time in Asia is the
    recently introduced Formula 101 Hair Restorer made in China. It
    supposedly has won some invention prize in Geneva.
    
    Anyway, it has caused quite a sensation in Singapore, with soldout
    situations. The Japaneses are reported to have formed tour groups that
    will go into China just to buy the stuff. Its supposed to be made with
    several types of Chinese herbs (what else?), and each bottle cost a
    handsome US$50. The inventor of the formula came to Singapore a while 
    back, and he was treated like royalty. Many people have claimed that
    its the best thing they have tried.
    
    Don't think they can break into the American market though; probably
    can't pass FDA with all those Chinese medicine in it...
    
    TM

    Well I used Vivagen for 3 months.  I don't think it works but it
    is an excellent conditioner.  If you need body in your hair then
    this stuff will give it some body.

    Anybody tried Foltene?  Supposed to contain mucopolysaccharides.
    Do not know whether it works but gives body to your hair too.
    
    

>                               ....   The new hair cells grow inward
>    first, underneath the skin and away from it, say the researchers,
>    before the hair itself eventually pushes up and out of the scalp.

Anyone who has gotten an ingrown hair should have already known this.


Rich

|Anyone who has gotten an ingrown hair should have already known this.

        BINGO ! :^)
        
        Matt