Conference quark::human_relations-v1

    There is a lot more to Great Britain than England.
    
    			Steve

    There is Welsh, Scottish and English. Hence the difference between
    British and English.
    
    Pete (English!)

    re -1
    
    Hey Pete,
    
    Northern Ireland is part of Britain too...don't forget !!
    
    So Britain is made up of the 4 countries - England, Scotland, Wales,
    and N. Ireland.
    
    Simple as that.
    
    Steve ( also_english_but_lives_in_massachusetts )

    Don't forget the Isle of Man, which has its own parliament!
    
    British Isles:
    	Great Britain: contains Scotland, England, Wales: two
    	     kingdoms and a principality.
	Ireland: contains Northern Ireland and the Irish Republic.
    	     I don't know the legal status of Northern Ireland,
    	     but it started out as a "colony".
    	Man: mostly considered part of England, it is sufficiently
    	     separate legally to be a tax haven.
    
    Channel Isles: these islands are part of the Dutchy of
    	Normandy, and their sovereign is the Duke or Dutchess
    	of Normandy.  Currently the Dutchess of Normandy is
    	also Queen of England, etc.
    
    There are (of course) more complications: for example, the
    Orknies and the Shetlands are legally only under Scots control
    pending a settlement of a midaeval princess' dowry.
    
    				-John Bishop

       .4 is incorrect: Northern Ireland (and come to that all the other
       offshore acretions) are NOT part of Great Britain.

       Geographically Britain is an island occupied by three countries,
       to whit Wales, Scotland and England. "Great Britain" refers to
       the same geographical extent from a socio-political stand point.

       The "United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland" is the
       political unit consisting of the island of Britain, the segment
       of the island of Ireland currently governed by the government in
       London and the various offshore islands.

       A person may refer to themselves as "English" if they satisfy the
       legal definition of a British subject and have the necesary
       additional qualifications to consider themselves to be English.

       In general however a Subject of the UK is legally "British" since
       the individual countries making up the union dso not have their
       own citizenship. However britons refer to themselves according to
       circumstances ... I am inclined to think of myself as a geordie
       (having been born in Northumberland), or as Anglo-Irish (family
       descent and a few fortuitous accidents qualify me for Irish as
       well as British citizenship), but rarely is my self image
       "English". However I might use the label in qualifying a position
       taken in notes say...

       /. Ian .\

    
    So do residents of the "various offshore islands" pay tax
    to the Crown? 
    
    I'm looking for a nice livable island with Ethernet taps 
    that has a nonexistent tax policy...-;

    
�    So do residents of the "various offshore islands" pay tax
�    to the Crown? 

       some do some don't.
    
�    I'm looking for a nice livable island with Ethernet taps 
�    that has a nonexistent tax policy...-;

       The Isle of Man has a healthy DEC user community and nice
       attractive taxes.


       /. Ian .\

    re: .0
    My grandparents were English and Scotch. Neither were British (top
    my mind). Technically, perhaps, they were. But in our family, I
    have no recollection of being "British" descent.
    
    There's a similiar view (I think) in the states. I'm Scotch/English
    descent. There doesn't seem to be a 'popular' "American" descendency
    clause, yet everyone born in the states generally is an "American"
    albeit American is not limited to the "United States", but also
    encomapsses Nicaragua, Canada, Mexico, and many other countries.
   
	Curious, huh ?
    Bob
    

    Nit:-
    
    Your parents may be SCOTTS, but, unless they a clear amber colour,
    high in alcohol and come in a bottle, they certainly ain't SCOTCH.
    
    :-|
    
    Dave

    re.10
    >   Nit:-
    
    >Your parents may be SCOTTS, but, unless they a clear amber colour,
    >high in alcohol and come in a bottle, they certainly ain't SCOTCH.
     
    Another nit:
    
    They're not "SCOTTS" either.  They are Scots or Scottish.  "SCOTT"
    is a boy's name and has nothing to do with nationality.  
                                                             
    

    Wouldn't that be Scotties - or is that a breed of dog?
    
    Anyway, ALL-IN-1 dictionary couldn't spell Scots, so you can't expect
    me to get it write! :-) (rite, wright, right, ryte  i dunno ???? )
    
    D

                   -< NOTHING BUT SCOTTISH >-
    I AM NEITHER BRITISH NOR ENGLISH BUT IN FACT SCOTTISH. YOU WILL
    FIND THATS HOW MOST SCOTS FEEL.  I DARE SAY THE WELSH AND IRISH
    WOULD EXPRESS THE SAME VIEW.  ALTHOUGH ITS HARD FOR SOME PLEASE
    TRY TO REMBER LIKE YOUR SELFS WE TAKE GREAT PRIDE IN OUR OWN
    COUNTRYS AND GET A LITTLE TWITCHY WHEN OUR IDENTITY IS LOST
    IN ANOTHERS NAME. IF YOU EVER WANT AN EXCITED ARMS SWINGING EARS
    STEAMING RESPONSE COME TO SCOTLAND AND ASK THEM IF THERE ENGLISH
    OR BRITISH. TAKE GREAT CARE IN YOUR CHOISE OF MEDICAL INSURANCE
    AS YOU WILL NEED IT. Its not true what they say about the Scots
    either we dont fly of the handle were just miss-understood.
       too #10 + #11 pote mahone!!. We even got a languge.
    
            Pat Mcfadden  [Scots with an Irish name]
    
    P.S.   WHATS A YANK. 

                                      
    Nothing like a little nationalism to get one's dander up.
    
    PS: "Yank" is synonymous with "jerk"...

    
    I spent two summers in Scotland and found the issue of religion
    to play a very important role in society.  I'll never forget the
    day when I was asked what soccer team I rooted for, the Celtics
    or the Rangers.  Both teams were from the Glasgow, Scotland area.
    If I said I was for the Rangers, it meant I was Protestant.  If
    I rooted for the Celtics, I was Catholic.  
    	On Saturday mornings, all of the local youths would gather together
    on the trains dressed in their appropriate color and head to the
    soccer match.  My family was advised by many Scots not to attend
    the games because they were too violent.  Many of the locals I talked
    to were upset that the soccer matches were no longer family events.
     	Many of them admired our American football games because families
    could attend the matches without worrying about excessive violence
    in the stands.    
    	
    	I found it hard to believe that religion was still a source
    of much of the violence in Britain at this day in age.     Mark

    
    re: .16
    religions founded upon mythical "nice guy" gods have killed
    more people than drugs, rock n roll, devil worship and hazing....
    combined!
    
    so i'm not surprised....
    
    my dad can beat up your dad
    my school is better than your school
    my country is better than your country
    my religion is better than your religion
    my god can beat up your god

    re: .17
    the thing about religion is that my god DOESN'T beat up your god,
    so i'll have to beat you up to fulfill the prophecy.  when you are
    down to dad against dad, or nation against nation, you can see a
    result and don't have to participate.
    
    re: other various responses
    
    just don't call a Yankee a jerk.  well, depends on what part of
    America you are in, in boston this can be quite acceptable while
    in fenway park...........
    
    Scot/Welsh/Irish/English...what's the difference?  you seen one
    limey you've seen them all.........
    
    ;^);^);^);^);^);^);^);^);^);^);^);^);^);^);^);^);^);^);^);^);^)
    hey, get that murderous glint out of your eyes, i've got ancestors
    from most of those countries....guess i'm just a mongrel..........
    ;^);^);^);^);^);^);^);^);^);^);^);^);^);^);^);^);^);^);^);^);^)
    

    
    Nothing beats having a macho, kickass god...
                                                

    re: .19
    
    do you mean:
    
          Nothing > macho, kickass god   ?