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Conference quark::human_relations-v1

Title:	What's all this fuss about 'sax and violins'?
Notice:	Archived V1 - Current conference is QUARK::HUMAN_RELATIONS
Moderator:	ELESYS::JASNIEWSKI

Created:	Fri May 09 1986
Last Modified:	Wed Jun 26 1996
Last Successful Update:	Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:	1327
Total number of notes:	28298

276.0. "Subliminal reprogramming?" by OWL::LANGILL () Mon Apr 13 1987 15:07

    Over the weekend my husband and I watched a show on cable and I'm
    interested in comparing thoughts on this.  This was what I call
    a "Sales Show", in other words the guy doing the show was out to
    sell a series of tapes that he had created.  Aside from that aspect:
    
    His premise is that: from the time we are born we are told certain
    things about ourselves, both negative and positive.  Those of us
    who are sucessful in our lives either financially or personally
    are so because we were told many more positives than negatives.
    I think that we all agree on that fact - if you don't have a good
    self esteem and believe that you will, then you can't.
    
    Now his tapes work on the idea of subliminal relearning - in other
    words - reversing the "damage" done by reprogramming on the subconsious
    level.  The tapes (cassettes) appear to the concious mind just
    pleasant, soothing music, but within each one are thousands of hidden
    messages.  According to him the subconsious mind is unable to
    differentiate between reality and fantasy and accepts both as being
    real.  Therefore the subconcious can be reprogrammed without us
    being intellectually aware of what is going on.
    
    Subliminal programming was experimented with years ago in the media
    and the FCC has forbidden it's use on public media because of the
    powerful impact that it has proven to have.  It was then used primarily
    used for the purpose of sales (One such situation was in movie
    theaters, where frames of the movie film itself were replaced with
    messages that told the patrons to go to the refreshement stands
    and makes purchases.  The message was unseen by the eye on the concious
    level, but it got through to the subconcious level.  Therefore sales
    soared.)                        
    
    One study in this type of relearning process that he talked about
    was done at a university.  A group of basketball players were divided
    into three groups.  Group a was told to practice foul shots for
    one hour each day for 30 days, Group B was told to stay away from
    the basketball court, and Group C was told to ONLY think (by
    visualization) about shooting foul shots.  The results that came
    back were that Group B did not increase their ability, Group A
    increased their ability by 24% and Group C increased their ability
    by 23%.
    
    What's your opinion?

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276.1		QUARK::LIONEL	Free advice is worth every cent	`Mon Apr 13 1987 15:54`	9
	There's several people who are trying to sell tapes like this. But from what I recall, subliminal messages only worked if the message was very simple, and they didn't work all that well in the first place. You can get tapes like this cheaply from places such as Publishers Central Bureau. I certainly wouldn't spend a lot of money on it. Steve
276.2	Work On The Causes, Not Symptoms	TSG::MCGOVERN		`Tue Apr 14 1987 10:51`	11
	While I believe in the power of subliminal messages and the subconscious, I also believe that if you really want to change deep personality traits such as self-esteem, you need to do more than make superficial efforts to do so. If you just paper over cracks by subverting the subconscious, then you never deal with the root issues that caused a lack of self esteem. You gotta dig into your psyche and struggle to feel the reality of how you are put together, then work to change it. I believe short cuts don't work in the long run. MM
276.3	It works!	EVE::JASNIEWSKI		`Tue Apr 14 1987 12:56`	18
	.2 is right - you cant take the "easy way" outta this one. .0 is right - the Subc cannot distinguish fantasy from reality. So, you can fantasize that you are anyway you want to be, and if you do it long enough, you'll become it. You'll begin to believe that that's you - deep down where it counts. You gotta practice though - you cant just sleep all night with some tape playin'... The example given about the basketball player works! Joe Jas
276.5	I'm a New Age Thinker?	SEDJAR::THIBAULT	It's in the bit bucket...	`Tue Apr 14 1987 14:28`	7
	This all sounds like the "New Age Thinking" course (especially the bit about the basketball players) put together by Lou Tice and company. It was very interesting I suppose but I wouldn't pay money to go. I still have the tapes they gave us, but can't remember what's on them. As far as I know, DEC still teaches the course. Bahama Mama
276.7		CSC32::WOLBACH		`Tue Apr 14 1987 17:16`	16
	Thanks, Ray! After hearing everyone rave about the course, I thought there was something wrong with me for not enjoying it. I thought he acted and sounded like a very professional con man. It's been several years so don't remember the details, but he made a comment very early in the program, that those who deny what he's saying are negative thinkers. Sort of a catch22 situation...if you don't buy the package, you are wrong because you are not buying the package... Personally, I much preferred the parenting class that I took thru DEC: Helicopters, Drill Sargents and Consul- tants. I found that I could apply the concept to just about everyone in my life, not just my 7 year old.
276.8		QUARK::LIONEL	Free advice is worth every cent	`Tue Apr 14 1987 19:59`	4
	I just got a Publishers Central Bureau catalog - it lists about twenty of these tapes at $8 each, two for $14. Probably cheaper than this course. Steve
276.9	From the originator.	OWL::LANGILL		`Wed Apr 15 1987 14:38`	10
	It's interesting to hear you opinions..........I do not know the name of the guy.......but if the show is on again I will note it..... the name of the tapes to be sent for is "Mind Power", what else?..... the cost.....$299.00 for 36 tapes (actually 40 as he throws in 4 "free" extra ones. The thoughts about the sibliminal messages through paper media are also interesting. I read an article several years ago in some national magazine about this.