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    Hi Donna,
    
    My first bird was a year-old, wild caught Timneh Grey, half-crazed with
    fear.  As an experienced bird owner, I now know that such a bird has
    very little pet potential.  However, at the time I got her (an impulse
    purchase, and I didn't know much about birds!) I didn't know any such
    thing, so consequently, she turned into a beautiful pet:-)  She
    developed an incredible personality (much more independant than a
    handfed), a 200+ word vocabulary, and became so tame that I could pick
    her up around the back, flip her over and hand her, upside down, to a
    total stranger.
    
    The key is patience.  It may take a year or more before your Meyer's
    will even be willing to take treats from your hand.  
    
    Put the bird in a room where you spend a great deal of time, and where
    there are no other animals.  Have the vet clip his wings.  When you
    enter the room, open the cage.  Let the bird choose his own pace.  Be
    there, hang out, talk and sing and whistle to him.  Anything he likes
    or responds positively to, do more of.  Find out what his favorite
    treats are.  Put them on the floor in front of the cage so that he has
    to climb out of his cage to get them.  Gradually (over a period of
    weeks or months) move the treats closer to you and further from the
    cage.  He may someday be willing to take them from your hand.  After
    that it is pretty much downhill.
    
    I cannot emphasize enough that with a wild-caught, timid bird, you must
    work at the bird's pace, not yours, and have the patience of a saint!
    You will, however, get incredible satisfaction and companionship from a
    wild-caught that you have won over, and a pet that is totally different
    in personality from a hand-fed.
    
    						/Rita
    
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|  |     Hi Donna,
    
    The wild-caughts need all our patience and love for different reasons
    than the hand-feds, who need as much love, and sometimes the patience
    too!  The ones available have made it through a tremendous ordeal.
    So you've got one of the tough ones.  That's the good news.  The 'bad'
    news is that if you are in a hurry, you will be disappointed quickly.
    I completely agree with the three preceding replies.  Here's my story:
    
    When we got our first bird, an orange-winged Amazon, he was a bedragled
    mess and in a horrible situation in, yes, a pet store.  When we talked
    with an experienced parrot breeder about his condition and were told
    that it could take a year to two to get the bird back into good health
    and feather, my heart sank.  I didn't know if I could look at him in
    such a pitiful state for so long and not know if he was improving or
    not.  What happened, though, was that by not thinking too hard about
    the prediction from the breeder, my husband and I took it day-by-day
    with the bird, doing as Rita (above reply) said, letting the bird gain
    a sense of his own territory.  We put him in a home-built flight that
    gave him adequate space to flap his wings and climb around for
    exercise, since we were told he would not be likely to venture  out of
    the cage for some time (which turned out to be true). The cage was
    2'Wx2'Dx3'H, with natural brances for gnawing on (helped him stop
    picking his feathers).  Another thing we did that you might want to try
    with your Meyers was put the cage so he was ABOVE our eye level when he
    was on the top branch, which seemed to make him more secure. He didn't
    eat for almost a week, but seemed to be taking some water. He wouldn't
    touch any veggies or fruit for months, having been on an almost
    exclusively sunflower seed diet for too long. 
    Our orange-wing didn't make any noise when I was in the room for a
    couple of weeks.  To say he was terrified would be an understatement. 
    He had his own room for awhile, then we got a pair of budgies because I
    thought they might provide a positive distraction for the parrot.  It
    seemed to work, if it counts that when I would sit quietly in the room
    and read, just to be around the parrot, I would catch him watching the
    little guys play.  The first time he took a peanut from my hand, I
    had tears in my eyes. This was months after we got him, but worth
    the patience it took to get there!!
    
    This approach also worked with our first blue-front, another wild-caught
    who had been kept in a basement in a dog crate for months.  He was put
    in a small, warm, well-lighted room we had available, on an open 
    climbing tree/playpen arrangement that my husband built for him.  That
    bird would not even tolerate eye contact for a couple of months, even
    though he was, indeed, king of the roost up there on the top branches
    (about five and a half to six feet high--table had the big tree-trunk
    chunk going through the middle of it--with 1"x4" boards around the
    table edge to keep the mess in, and clean paper on the table surface
    to be able to monitor droppings in this at-first very ill bird--we get
    the paper from a local moving company).  
    
    The blue-front took about six months before he stopped plucking
    feathers and started to get new growth in.  The orange-wing took
    longer.  Peace and quiet and visits at a predictable time help a lot. 
    Once the bird is less shy, putting him in a more trafficked area is
    great, because this will help alleviate the boredom.
    
    In terms of worth, I think Meyers in this area (Boston/New Hampshire)
    go for about $300, wild-caught, give or take a little...higher if
    from a pet store.  Best of luck to you and your expanded pet family!
    Pls. keep us posted as you work with your bird.  Did you name him yet??
    
    Linda
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|  |     Hi Donna,
    
    To try to answer some of your questions, and add my usual 2 cents
    worth:
    
    
    SIGNS OF STRESS
    
    *Some* signs of stress include: watery droppings, not eating, sitting
    fluffed up with head tucked behind a wing, sitting on the perch turned
    away from the front of the cage (occasional is fine, but if it does
    this all the time, it could mean he is trying to hide but has no place
    to go).  Yes, these are signs for sickness too.  Hard to tell unless
    you have a fecal analysis and some other lab tests done by a vet,
    or a blood test may be in order, but this in itself is stressful, 
    especially for small birds (budgies, finches, canaries).  Whether it is
    temporary stress or stress caused by illness that needs to be treated
    is usually best determined by a good avian vet.
    
    If your bird is new, and you see no major signs of illness (falling off
    the perch a lot, head down and listless, closed eyes all the time, 
    discharge from the eyes, vent, or mouth, regurgitation, diarrhea, to
    name a few), then maybe you would want to consider doing the following
    to make the transition to your home easier on the bird:
    
    
    STRESS-DEADLY THREAT?
    
    Re: stress killing a bird - I suppose if they don't eat for a very long
    time, obviously they would starve themselves to death.  Small birds can
    have what appear to be heart attacks and die when they are frightened, 
    so maybe larger birds can fall victim to this too.  I lost a Bourke's
    Australian parrakeet once when it went in for an X-ray to locate a 
    possible tumor - and I know of two budgies who died of fright/stress
    when they had their beaks trimmed, but these may be rare cases. Anyone 
    else have any experiences with this?  I wouldn't think the predictable
    stress of going to a new household would be in this category?
    
    
    CAGING
    
    Try to duplicate *exactly* the environment the bird just left (except a
    quarantine station or bad pet store situation!!), including general
    location in a room with regard to windows/no windows, birds/no other
    birds, type of cage and perches and food dishes and their placement
    inside the cage, etc. -- usually not possible, but sometimes we can,
    especially if the previous owner was thoughtful enough to  insist that
    the cage be sold with the bird, so the bird goes through the transition
    to the new space with at least its old 'home' still there.  (Sometimes
    sellers will loan a cage for a transition period, if they don't want to
    sell the cage or you don't like it or want to buy it outright.)  
    
    Beware of moving a new bird who is used to one size cage into a cage
    that is dramatically different in size or shape.  Sometimes birds are
    actually *more* comfortable in a small  cage, as least for awhile,
    especially if they were confined to one before you got them.  A huge
    cage after a small cage is a form of stress in itself.  Bird Talk
    magazine had an article on this recently.
    
    
    A BIRDIE HIDEAWAY
    
    Try placing a large beach towel or light blanket across the back and
    over the sides and top of the cage to give the bird a sense of a 'cave'
    or personal space for awhile after you first get them.  The bird may
    react to the first placement of the cover by cowering and making nasty
    noises, but usually they settle down once you walk away from the cage
    and don't keep adjusting and moving the cover around.  (We partially
    cover the cage for at least the first week with any any new bird that
    comes here, whether it is a  zebra finch or a big Amazon parrot, and
    especially if it is wild-caught.)   
    
    Gradually unfold the cover toward the back as the days (weeks?) go on,
    as the bird becomes comfortable.  Watch for how much time the bird
    spends 'hiding' in the darkened, protected space, and how much he seems
    to prefer sitting out on one of the more exposed perches.  At some
    point, when he is really comfortable, you may find that covering only
    the back of the cage or no cover at all is necessary.  
    
    
    QUARANTINE SPACE
    
    We have a 'quarantine' room in the house that is away from any major
    commotion, so this adds to the security factor for the new birds.
    Avoid closets and bathrooms for quarantine areas because of the lack
    of light and ventilation in one and the moisture and danger of open
    water in the other (birds drop like stones in water--an open tank
    is likely death by drowning, even for large parrots).  If you can
    spare the space in a little-used room in your house, that's great.
    A bedroom is often a logical place for a temporary location until
    the bird is relaxed and can take more random foot-traffic coming
    by its cage.
    
    
    ENVIRONMENTAL FACTORS
    
    Also, kitchen cooking smells, exhaust fumes if near a garage or open
    windown overlooking a garage or street with lots of traffic, and
    cigarette or pipe smoke may add to the stress of a new bird if they
    are not already used to this.
    
    
    ONE BIRD's STORY - long, but maybe of help
    
    As an example, I recently received a call from somebody about where 
    to get a new budgie (parakeet). They then went out and bought a bird
    from a reputable breeder in the area who housed the birds in a large
    flight with the back wall solid and the top covered with Vitalites,
    next to a similar flight of cockatiels, so only one side and the front
    was really open.  This bird  went to his new home, where he was put in
    a small, typical, budgie cage, with another budgie who had just lost
    its mate to liver disease (non-contagious), in the middle of a living
    room, a foot from a window, with all sides and the top exposed, kids
    around, etc.  The person  wanted to know why the bird wasn't eating
    (after 48 hours).  She was in the process of trying to force-feed it
    oatmeal when she decided to call me, since I had recommended the
    breeder and she thought I should know the bird was 'sick'.  Besides 
    advising against the force-feeding (the bird was an adult, not a
    hand-fed baby), I suggested putting in millet spray on both sides of
    the cage and double food and water dishes for awhile, so the new bird
    would not have to compete for nourishment. I explained to her that the
    bird was probably eating when she was *not* looking at it, because it
    was in a foreign environment and unusually cautious about making any
    moves to perch on the food dishes.  She admitted that her mother, who
    lived with the family and was home during the quieter times of the day
    when the family was at school/work, had reported seeing the bird moving 
    around the food and water dishes and had heard it chirping.  
    
    This woman's first bird had started eating right away, so her point of
    comparison was that.  By way of history: the bird she got from the
    breeder comes from a place where, if anything, they over-pamper all
    their birds...feeding them top-quality seed, cooked grains, veggies,
    and fresh fruits, so it is entirely possible that her first bird was
    very hungry and underfed when she acquired it, and the new bird was 
    content (the vet later verified that the new bird was a little on the
    plump side.....).
    
    I also asked her to consider the stress she was putting the bird
    through by catching it, holding it down, and forcing strange food into
    its mouth, not to mention the danger of aspiration (food breathed or
    forced into the airway and lungs--VERY dangerous, more so than eating
    lightly for a few days). I also suggested she cover the cage as
    described above. 
    
    If this family had had available a second cage, that would have been even
    better because this new bird was used to a 4' flight with about 12-15
    other birds, with plenty of personal space.  Time in a separate cage
    placed next to the other bird's cage would have allowed the bird get used 
    to his new partner and new home from a safe distance at first.  The good 
    news was the other bird was leaving the new one alone.  The owner had
    rearranged the perches and dishes before putting the new bird in, which
    I'm sure helped for the previous occupant to not feel as territorial as
    it might have if those changes hadn't been made.      
   
    This owner cared very much about the welfare of the new bird but forgot
    to imagine think about the impact of the change in environment on her
    new bird.  She had driven 100 miles round-trip to buy the bird.  She
    paid top premium for a quality close-banded bird.  Being a conscientious 
    bird owner and having just lost a long-time pet bird to a fatal
    illness,  she decided a trip to the local avian vet was in order when
    she was not able to observe the bird eating or drinking (although she
    said there were signs of both sprigs of millet having been eaten and
    the bird was perky and alert, sitting up straight and calm on the
    perch), and lo and behold, there was nothing wrong with the bird but
    transition stress, which will pass with time as the bird adjusts to
    its new home.  The new owner also said she would start hanging greens
    for the birds to eat, which she had not been doing for the many years
    she had owned the other birds.  
    
    She spent more on the exam than on a second cage, which she could have
    kept as a spare hospital cage or whatever, and more than she had spent
    on the bird, for that matter, but at least she had peace of mind about
    the general health of the bird.  It is always a good idea to have any
    new bird checked within the first week, or *before* purchase if you can
    arrange it with the seller, so there are no surprises.    
    
    
    TO TRY TO SUMMARIZE...
    
    Give the bird a place to retreat to for awhile and be sure he has
    an option about whether to be hidden in the corner of the cage or out
    in the open.  If he is sharing cage space with another bird, don't put
    them together at first if you can help it, since this won't necessarily
    speed up the process; it might actually slow it down.  
    
    This note is just a  continuation of the themes above in other
    replies...give the bird choices and let him choose...don't force him or
    rush him. Good luck!!  I'm sure you and the new bird will do just fine. 
    If he gets back in the cage without trouble, you've got one of the
    major battles already won!!
    
    
    KEEP ASKING QUESTIONS
    
    Having learned a lot of this stuff the hard and painful, tearful,
    way...through my experiences or those I have read about here or heard
    about, I try to short-cut the learning process for others if I can,
    to save them paying the same price many of us have when we were too new
    or too confused or too shy to ask.  My phone bill is outrageous, but I
    could be spending the money on worse things ;')  
    
    We all need to learn these things. Nobody out there, especially me, was
    born with knowledge of how to successfully keep and raise cage-birds!! 
    As I keep saying -- and so do others here -- we all need to keep
    writing our questions and experiences to see how it is done, keeping
    in mind that all are just suggestions, since not all of this works all
    the time for all of the birds!!  I have saved time, money, and
    heartache by the help I have gotten here from others.  Keep writing,
    everyone!!!! 
    
    Linda
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