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| 84.1 | *This is only a test* 8^) | SMURF::HORNER | | Tue Jan 03 1989 13:35 | 28 |
| Karen, you were lucky! Now it's time for a test....do you know
why birds bleed so easily? Why are most of the bones are hollow?
Why blood is not replenished as readily as with other species of
life forms??????
OK Histology gurus! Let it shine! 8^}
Since I have already written a paper on this topic, I am going to
wait this out! Someone else must know about this too! Like Laura
and Mad Max...Laura...didn't you go to vet school before???
Jean
(who_has_chosen_to_be_a_brat!!!!! 8^} )
BTW Karen! Excellent suggestions for stopping the bleeding! You
can purchase a cautery tool thru the vets office.. But, be sure
to get some training before using it! I have one, and would not
be without now!
If you have nothing to stop bleeding, even simple talcum powder
and pressure will help. Hold the site, tightly, for a period of
10 minutes and it should stop the bleeding.
If using the Neosporin, be sure to use the cream not the ointment!
But the neosporin and flour is a superb preparation for an injury
site (wound)!
J
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| 84.2 | This is only a test... | CSC32::K_WORKMAN | Hand picked by Juan Valdez | Tue Jan 03 1989 14:56 | 24 |
| Is this a test!!! Can I cheat! Well I would wait to answer
you after I looked at some of my books, but I'll give it
a shot!
Their bones are hollow so they don't weigh so much? You know
so they can fly with little effort....
Blood is made in Bone marrow and that is found inside the bone so...
since theirs are hollow they have little marrow and can't make
blood?
Why do they bleed so easily??? Not sure on this one.
Well how did I do... I really am not sure about these answers,
am I right or wrong?
**************
One thing I forgot to add to the previous note, however...
If your bird does get to bleeding and it takes you a while
to stop the blood, you should watch him for a few hours
after the bleeding stops. If he gets listless, TAKE HIM TO
THE VET!
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| 84.3 | If this was a real emergency...you would have.... | SMURF::HORNER | | Tue Jan 03 1989 15:39 | 31 |
| Not bad Karen!!! Geez, I'm glad it was a pop quiz, and you had
no books! Ha! My cube mates think I'm nutsy over here...all alone
and laughing like a little loon! 8^}
The birds do have some marrow, but definitely, the wing bones are
hollow! For effortless flight!
The biggest reason for fear of bleeding is because there are no
platelets in the blood. Platelets are the little cells that
cause clotting. These are little, older red cells with a lipase
coating around them...they stick together, and form a clot.
Birds, however, have no platelets, but do have Thrombocytes.
I am being tutored now on avian histology. It is SOOO confusing.
Thrombocytes are also called giant cells ... which also relate back
to the platelet, but are unrelated in avian specimens.
So, since there is no marrow to replenish white cells, and the red
cells just keep going round and round, it is very necessary to have
fresh drinking water all the time. The water flushes out the old
cells which forces new cells to mature quicker. See, it is very
very confusing! The book I'm supposed to get is $125! so, for
now, I am borrowing one from the vet...
This is as much as I understand now, but also need to know more!!!
So, iffen anyone else knows...please, share your input with us!
Human blood, cats, dogs and horses all have different blood chemistries
and do not apply to avian blood. They are in a field all to themselves!
Jean (who_is_still_studying_too!) 8^}
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| 84.4 | nose-bleeding | COLA1::KOTTMANN | Heinz Kottmann @CEN CAS-CTS | Thu Jan 05 1989 11:11 | 11 |
| Our Amazone has sometimes nose-bleeding (once per month).
The blood comes either from the left or right. Our vet
has no idea. The vet's here in germany are normaly have less
experience in bird treatment. We are non-smokers, and the
bird lives with us in our living room.
Has anybody seen this ?
Any inputs are welcome.
Heinz
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| 84.5 | Dryness or Sharp Toenails? | CSC32::K_WORKMAN | Hand picked by Juan Valdez | Thu Jan 05 1989 14:27 | 17 |
| Hi Heinz!
Welcome to PET_BIRDS. We are so glad to have someone from
so far away join our file!
On the nose bleeding... I have heard that real dry environments,
areosol type sprays etc can cause this type of problem. Also,
this is kinda gross, but my bird will stick his toenail directly
into his nose to itch it. I wonder if your bird maybe experiencing
some itchyness and scratching it with a too sharp toe nail or just
scratching enough to cause it to bleed....
Just some thoughts...
Again welcome!
Karen
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| 84.6 | BROKEN BLOOD FEATHERS | SVCRUS::BUCCIERI | | Thu Jan 05 1989 21:29 | 10 |
| I had a similar incident with my amazon. He had been preening himself
and he broke a blood feather. I only became curious when his mood
suddenly changed. He was bleeding badly. Not having any "Quick
Stop" in the house I reached for the corn starch. That worked well
but should not be considered a substitue for proper medications.
The next trip out was to the feed store to pick up first aid supplies
for the birds. Bleeding can certainly be fatal and we may not notice
a problem until it is too late.
Jim Buccieri
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| 84.7 | Remove the broken feather.. | CSC32::K_WORKMAN | Hand picked by Juan Valdez | Fri Jan 06 1989 09:56 | 9 |
| Hi Jim,
I also heard/read (can't remember) that if a Bird does break a blood
feather, you are supposed to remove what ever part of the feather
is still attached from the bird or it will get infected and also
not allow a new feather to grow properly. Any body have more
information on this?
Karen
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| 84.8 | I'm flattered! | GLDOA::LROMANIK | | Fri Jan 06 1989 12:20 | 26 |
| re .1
Vet school? Oh Jean, I'm flattered, I really am! Does that mean
that I don't sound like a complete idiot when making comments in
this conference?
Actually my only college experience is in Computer Science, although
I do find pet health and care an extremely interesting topic, and
am always trying to learn as much about it as I can. Karen's answer
about summed up the extent of my knowledge about bird blood before
I read your later reply.
re . last
I had heard that the reason for pulling the remaining blood feather
is that because the shaft is hollow, it can act as a nice shunt
for bleeding to continue or start again.
I have a question. I bought a Quick Stop like product (don't remember
the exact name, but it's a styptic - sp? - powder) for dog's nails.
If the need arose, would this be OK to use for Max too? I have
never had a blood feather with him yet, but I want to be prepared.
Also, I sometimes worry what would happen if he got a blood feather
while we were not home. Would it be bye bye birdie?
Laura and Mad Max
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| 84.9 | More Blood Feathers | ZONULE::MACONE | Round Up the Usual Suspects | Fri Jan 06 1989 13:32 | 19 |
| Hansel, my male cockatiel, breaks blood feathers on a semi-regular
basis. However, he always does it in the middle of the night, and
I wake up to a pool of blood on the bottom of the cage, and a bird
who is no longer bleeding, though you can see dried blood o his
feathers.
The first time it happened, it was recommended to me to feed him
moulting food for a week because of the added iron, and I was given
some type of medicine to put in the water that weould help to prevent
any infections.
I have the styptic powder, but have yet not had the chance to try
it, since I have never seen Hansel bleeding. But, I keep these
antibiotics on hand as well as the moulting food, since I never
know when I will look in the cage in the morning and see the blood.
I just hop I don't wake up some morning and have a dead birdie.
-Nancy
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| 84.10 | ^Z'd too quick and missed decspell! 8^{ | SMURF::HORNER | | Fri Jan 06 1989 13:49 | 31 |
| (Laura, I thought when we first *met* you mentioned vet school...It
must be the drugs I'm on...8^)..)
Anyway, yes, feather shafts ARE shunts! You need to get some pliers,
and take a deep breath and yank the feather out. It may give you
a very sick feeling in the pit of your stomach...but it's gotta
be done!
I had a brain damaged cockatiel named Mikey. Mikey was prone to
"Night Frights" even with a night light right beside his fight...and
he constantly beat himself up...then he got the quaker into it!
The two of them had such raw wing caps it was awful. We ended
up figure 8 taping the wings over the bodies and placing them in
cages with no perches for 3 or 4 weeks. There are still blood stains
from Mikey in that flight that I cannot remove. Which by the way
is allt that's left of poor Mikey. He bled heavily, went into shock
and we lost him.
I heard the fluttering...I can't ignore it! (One nite there was
a mouse in a flight, another nite a beetle was on the wire and most
often 9 out of 10 times it's the night frights.) Found Mikey covered
head to toe and tried very hard to save him! He died in my hands!
Poor Baby bird!
Kwik-Stop is the same for cats, dogs, birds and Jean when she shaves
her legs!!! It's OK to use. I prefer it over styptic pencils.
But flour, cornstarch and powder are alright to use too! My favorite
is a silver nitrate stick -- but they can be messy!!
Jean
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| 84.11 | DRIP...DRIP....DRIP | SALEM::VTOWLE | MAGNUM FORCE,261-2467,NIO/P10 | Fri Jan 13 1989 13:10 | 6 |
| I'll tell you one thing...it really gets the ole' heart pumping
when you are trimming toe nails and the blood starts dripping!!!!
It happened only once since I have had Squiggy, our Sun Conure.
I got the steptic pencil out and applied it as quickly as I could!
The next time will definately *be too soon*!
Vern
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| 84.12 | styptic confusion | FSTTOO::WIMMER | | Mon Feb 06 1989 16:28 | 19 |
| Question about styptic powders........
I stopped at New England Serum today and picked up a bottle of styptic
powder to keep on hand in case of accidents or nail trimming. They
had several kinds. One was Kwik stop (I think) which said it was
for dogs, cats, and birds. Unfortunately, they nly had it in a
6 or 8 ounce container which was $33.00 and looked like it would
last for 50 years. They had a couple of other kinds in small 1/2
ounce containers. I bought one called Top Performance MediStyp
Styptic Powder. I chose this one because it had exactly the same
ingredients in the same order as the one that said it was for birds.
When I got it home, I peeled off the price tag, and found that it
said "for dogs and cats, not for use on birds". Should I take it
back. Is it possible that the proportions of ingredients are
different? None of the varieties said "for birds" except the big
one. I didn't choose any of the others because the ingredient list
didn't match the one that said "for birds".
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| 84.13 | | WITNES::HANNULA | Cat Tails & Bike Wheels Don't Mix | Tue Feb 07 1989 10:32 | 9 |
| If the lable says not for use on birds, I would probably take it
back. There's probablly a reason that theyput the warning on the
can.
I have also have cats, and one day I bought flea soap for dogs instead
- My vet said don't use stuff for dogs on cats since it would be
too strong, and potentially dangerous. If stuff for dogs is too
strong for cats, I wouldn't want to risk using stuff for dogs and
cats on birds.
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