Conference noted::hackers_v1

	You can use the rectangular select/cut commands in TPU. 

	John 

    Actually the rectangular cut and paste is in EVEplus, which is an
    extension of the EVE editor (written in TPU). You may get the EVEplus
    software from the net, the rectangular cut and paste is in
    RECCUTPAS.TPU. You don't need all of EVEplus to use it, but you
    may want it, it's neat stuff. If I knew how to do the neat trick
    with the KP7 I'd set this up (someone else who noze is welcome)
    but the pointer to the conference where you can find it is
    DSSDEV::TPU_NOTES. They have a kit which you can "install" and build
    your "own" section file (or have your sysmgr install it shared).
    
    

	SEDT will do it for you better than EVEplus. the eveplus 
	version always puts spaces in place of the text you cut 
	out. for example, cutting out the 2222:

111111 2222222  333333                  111111          333333
111111 2222222  333333   ------->       111111          333333
111111 2222222  333333                  111111          333333
                                        
	with sedt, you can do that or, you can do:

111111 2222222  333333                  111111   333333
111111 2222222  333333  ----->          111111   333333
111111 2222222  333333                  111111   333333
					


	sedt is fast and friendly, and small. There's a notes
	conference on curie::sedt. or send me mail.

	
	jack 

    re: .3
    
    	Yes, the "supplied" version only does "overstrike" cut & paste,
    but I sent Nancy a version I have modified to do insert cut & paste
    as well... (based on the current buffer setting.)  It may not be
    perfect, but it seems to work well enough for me.
    
    	If anyone else would like it, send me mail...
    
    					--Doug

    Was .4 really meant as a reply to .3?  SEDT does both insert and
    replace mode with block cut and paste.
    
    See PARVAX::SEDT$DIST: or the conference at CURIE::SEDT.
    
    tom_p

    	Of course if you just want to remove some columns you
    could :  a) position cursor in row 1, column <whatever>,
    b) <DO> Learn, c) delete 1 char, down arrow, d) ^R to
    remember the key sequence, e) <whatever> key to assign the
    learned sequence to, f) <DO> Repeat <large #> <whatever_key>
    	Learn in EVE is MUCH EASIER than it was/is in EDT!!
    
    mike

    VAX Sort/Merge will do it.  You'll want to use the /FIELD and /DATA
    clauses in the specification file, and MERGE/NOCHECK/SPEC=xxx at DCL.

< Note 346.6 by ANT::ZARLENGA "Michael Zarlenga - LMO2/E06" >
                                -< Learn mode >-

	naturally, learn mode in sedt is just as easy :-)
	

	jack

    
    	Teco doesn't do bad in LEARN mode either....
    

    Face it, when it comes to editors, TPU (EVE flavors) is the best.
    
    The others all fall short in different places!

    TPU is nice if you want to learn to program it.  For those who want
    an editor that is usable 'out of the box', TPU (EVE) falls short.
    
    tom_p

>    Face it, when it comes to editors, TPU (EVE flavors) is the best.
>    
>    The others all fall short in different places!

	i think we've got off the delete columns topic and that this
	could start a long and violent discussion. it's very difficult
	to persuade anybody that a particular editor is better than
	the one he uses...

	i believe, however, that no editor is perfect - they all 
	fall short somewhere.
	
	my preference for an editor out of the box is SEDT (try 
	it - you might like it!). it also runs on my rainbow. and 
	it'll run on an i*m pc if you've got one.
	
	as for TPU, i've hardly hacked it at all. i find it to 
	be too introspective - all the functions seem to be trying 
	to tell me how TPU feels about something...
	
	give me EMACS any day!

	
	jack 

>    Face it, when it comes to editors, TPU (EVE flavors) is the best.
 
     If fact they liked it so much they wrote notes in it! :^)

>    Face it, when it comes to editors, TPU (EVE flavors) is the best.

Well, TPU looks like it has lots of potential to be good. Too bad it starts out
brain-damaged though, I've never gotten around to learning enough about it to
fix it enough to be usable.

As to programming NOTES in it, I seem to remember NOTES-11 being lots faster
than VNOTES or VAX Notes, except when accessing files on remote nodes (cause no
server with NOTES-11).  VAX Notes also takes a zillion years to start up.

-Mike

>>    Face it, when it comes to editors, TPU (EVE flavors) is the best.
 
>>     If fact they liked it so much they wrote notes in it! :^)


	NO - i use emacs to write notes - emacs has its own notes 
	interface which has nothing to do with TPU. 
	
	for the odd occasion i use the TPU notes interface, i have
	SEDT set up to be the editor.

    Is SEDT a supported product? 
    
    hate to appear ignorant but at least I'm honest...
    
    I know about EMACS's un-supportedness (I've used EMACS for ages)
    but TPU is a supported product - a popular trait...
    
    /pjh

	SEDT is not supported by DEC. It is written, developed,
	refined and supported by Anker Berg-Sonne (CURIE::ANKER). 
	
	that does not mean that it is a midnight hack. it is a 
	high quality editor, and Anker's support is fast and good. 

	Rather than have me go on about it here, look in the SEDT
	conference (CURIE::SEDT) at note 181 and its replies - see how
	other people have got on with it. And better than that, try
	SEDT for yourself. The more people who use it, the better its
	chance of becoming a "supported" product.
	

	jack