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| 1668.1 |  | KAHALA::FULTZ | ED FULTZ | Fri Oct 16 1992 11:47 | 4 | 
|  | This just reinforces the need to continually check on a leased horse.  For
the comfort of both horse and owner.
Ed..
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| 1668.2 |  | CSLALL::LCOBURN | Plan B Farm | Fri Oct 16 1992 12:01 | 5 | 
|  |     My God, that's awful! I wonder if the owner can take any legal action 
    against the leasor? Sue for vet bills or something? I suppose it would
    depend on the terms of the lease agreement......I certainly hope she/he
    can somehow be charged with animal abuse or something!
    
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| 1668.3 | Mass has strong anti-cruelty laws | ESCROW::ROBERTS |  | Fri Oct 16 1992 13:34 | 10 | 
|  |     I'd bet the owner can take these people to court.  Massachusetts has
    quite strong laws about neglecting a horse that is in your care, even
    if you are not the owner.  (The state puts out a booklet of all Mass.
    laws pertaining to horses, if anyone is interested in looking up
    exactly which law applies to such a case.)  
    
    Lynn, do you know where this happened?  This is *really* dreadful.  How
    could anyone ignore an animal that is in such obvious pain?
    
    -ellie
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| 1668.4 |  | STUDIO::PELUSO | PAINTS; color your corral | Fri Oct 16 1992 14:15 | 5 | 
|  |     The new pony at my barn was a neglect case.  No food and no farrier
    work for some time.  It was left in a dirty stall.  
    
    Although is wasn't as bad as some that you read about, but the poor
    critter needs some love and attention.
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| 1668.5 | Michele, give the pony a hug from me! | BUSY::MANDILE | cough, cough, wheeze, wheeze! Oh, what a pain. | Fri Oct 16 1992 15:18 | 4 | 
|  |     The owner lives in Middleboro, where I live.  I don't
    know where the leasee was....
    
    Lynne
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| 1668.6 | Not surprised that abuse cases have increased | TERSE::DOTY | Michelle Doty, tech writer, Littleton | Mon Oct 19 1992 11:05 | 7 | 
|  | It seems to me that all kinds of abuse has increased.
(Child abuse, spouse abuse, substance abuse, other crime.)
People are stressed out from the effects of the poor
economy, (e.g., job loss) and those with the least
self-control vent their frustration on whoever
or whatever is not in a position to defend itself.
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| 1668.7 |  | 58048::PIERCE | Lord have mercy on the working man | Mon Oct 19 1992 12:23 | 14 | 
|  |     
    I know of a person who has had horses for 15-20yrs!  She is a good
    rider..and she shows about 6 times a year..BUT!  IMHO she abuses
    her horses.  She has 4 standing stalls for a barn and she keeps her
    horses in them day after day...no turn out at all...theses horses never
    see daylight unless they are at a show...she never rides them for the
    heck of it...they just sit in there stall.  
    
    I have called the animal folks a few times..and they can't do a thing
    becasue they are getting hay and water....
    
    I just feel bad for these horses.
    
    L
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| 1668.8 | help..is available | DWOMV2::KINNEY |  | Mon Oct 19 1992 12:29 | 2 | 
|  |     Perhaps a rescue by PETA is in order after a word of warning to 
    the owner.
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| 1668.9 | Rescue from what? | ESCROW::ROBERTS |  | Mon Oct 19 1992 12:56 | 14 | 
|  |     re .7
    
    Although this is not how I choose to keep my horses, it is not really
    neglect or abuse.  The Lippizans at the Spanish Riding School, for
    instance are never out except when they are ridden.  And I also believe
    that some are kept in straight stalls.  
    
    Now, before someone starts a rathole about how crazy I must be, let me
    mention that my horses have free access to a three acre paddock and are
    almost never inside in their box stalls.  But there is a difference
    between not-the-best-way-possible and neglect and abuse.  
    
    -ellie
    
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| 1668.10 | depends.. | DWOMV2::KINNEY |  | Mon Oct 19 1992 13:09 | 6 | 
|  |     re .7
    Are the animals being kept in a clean environment or standing
    knee-deep.
    Do they have access to fresh water.
    Are they fed daily.
    Is there adequate ventilation.
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| 1668.11 |  | CSLALL::LCOBURN | Plan B Farm | Mon Oct 19 1992 13:40 | 12 | 
|  |     Of course, one would assume that the Spanish Lippizans are given 
    considerably more exercise than the horses in the description in .7.
    
    I for one, am adamant that my horses get constant turnout, they are
    rarely if ever kept in stalls, they have free access year 'round....I
    just believe it is the most natural situation for them. But, I realize
    that many horses live in stalls almost constantly and seem to be just
    fine, provided adequate exercise is given via riding or longeing on a 
    daily basis. Standing stalls disgust me, personally, but too, some
    horses do seem to do okay in them, other factors must be considered
    before jumping to conclusions, as mentioned in the previous note.....
    
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| 1668.12 | Ethnic Cleansing | SALEM::ROY_K |  | Tue Oct 20 1992 09:58 | 7 | 
|  |     Has anyone else read any articles on the Lipizzan horses in Europe that
    were killed during this "ethnic cleansing"?  I will try to locate a
    small article I read on it.   An army (I'm not sure which one) had
    killed a very old line of Lipizzans.
    
    Karen
      
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| 1668.13 | Current or Prior? | ESCROW::ROBERTS |  | Tue Oct 20 1992 12:03 | 5 | 
|  |     re .-1
    
    Which "ethnic cleansing" are you referring to?  
    
    -ellie
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| 1668.14 | NOW | SALEM::ROY_K |  | Tue Oct 20 1992 15:45 | 3 | 
|  |     This is happening now.  I will look for the article tonight.
    
    Karen
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| 1668.15 | .7 | SEEPO::PIERCE | Lord have mercy on the working man | Wed Oct 21 1992 11:15 | 9 | 
|  |     
    More on .7
     
    The stalls are cleaned out about 1 time a week..sometiems less often
    They do have fresh water and plenty of food....they have 1 door in
    this barn..and they usually leave it open..so I guess there is
    ventalation(sp)
    
    
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