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| 1971.1 | If you can't have all of it, don't have any of it | RUTILE::MACFADYEN | Exit scroll region, backwards | Mon Jun 17 1991 11:09 | 13 | 
|  |     I'd say that it's most unlikely that Dura-Ace derailleurs are just the
    same as Ultegra bar the finish. If so, Mr Shimano must be making a
    mint out of us cyclists (he probably is anyway).
    
    I'd also say it's most unlikely that it's the Dura-Ace levers that
    give better shifting, if indeed Dura-Ace gives better shifting than
    Ultegra in any case. The extra money you spend on Dura-Ace goes into
    making a more durable product with a better finish. 
    
    My advice is, forget about Dura-Ace and just go all Ultegra. 
    
    
    Rod
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| 1971.2 | 600/Dura Ace | EXPRES::HUI |  | Mon Jun 17 1991 12:09 | 19 | 
|  |     Stew,
    
    Each model of shifters are a little different from one and another.
    This is because each index moves teh cable a certain distance known as
    Cable Travel (CT). The CT of the Dura Ace is just a little different
    then the CT of a 600 or 105SC shifters. This is why Shimano does not
    recommend using Dura Ace shifters with no Dura Ace R Derailluers and
    vice versa. But since we all like to try a cheap route first. I will be
    trying to use a 600 shifter with a DA derailluer this week. I will let
    you know how I make out.
    
    As for the workmanship of the 600 verses Dura Ace. Dura Ace is made to
    a tighter tolerance and the system is smoother a little. Where the Dura
    Ace stuff is really noticable over the 600 stuff is in the BB and hubs.
    The cones and bearing is a much higher quality. The 600 Ultegra BB
    really stinks. The seal is really tight. I even prefer the 105SC over
    the 600 BB. But that is just me.
    
    huey  
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| 1971.3 | Unless you want 8spd, stick with Ultegra | NIKLKY::KLASMAN | ALL-IN-1 DESKtop for PCs. dtn 381-0731 | Tue Jun 18 1991 07:39 | 10 | 
|  | Stew,
I've been using Ultegra shifters and derailleurs since they came out, and have
been quite satisfied with the shifting performance, even with aero-bar mounted
shifters, and their durability.  And you know how much I ride (used to?) and 
that I really don't maintain my equipment very well.
I'd recommend staying with Ultegra and save some money.
Kevin
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