Conference noted::bicycle

    More for my curiosity than anything else....Why do you want a lot
    of people to participate in the noontime bike rides?  Is there any
    reason to have a large group going out instead of just yourself?
    Also, where would be a good place to get my bike tuned up?  The
    last place I tried (in Philly) wanted $49.00 to do it, that's not
    worth it in my book.  Thanks
    

�   Also, where would be a good place to get my bike tuned up?  The
�   last place I tried (in Philly) wanted $49.00 to do it, that's not
�   worth it in my book.

    I don't know why anyone needs to pay to have their bike 'tuned',
    since it's so easy to do oneself.  It's very rare that any sort of exotic
    tool is needed (unless a headset needs to be replaced, and you'll know
    when that's the case.)  You can probably do a better job anyway.

    As for the origional question, the comraderie of riding in a group can
    be fun, of course, particularly if the group splits into equal-level
    riders.

    - Jim

    Two Bike Shops in the MKO area that I am familiar with are Sunshine
    Sports on route 101A and GOODALES in Downtown Nashua.  I recommend
    GOODALES (Ask for Ron) but they tend to be on the expensive side,
    their work on the other hand is , in my opinion, worth the additional
    expense.  If your looking for a sping tune up special (similar to
    the winter skiing variety) wait a few weeks and I'm sure Sunshine
    will be advertising one for about $25.00.                       
    
    As for riding in a group I see several benefits, mine are mostly
    motivational, but others include comaradere (sp.) and company in
    the event of an accident, emergency or simple repair to help to
    get you back to work on time.  A little friendly competition can
    really help to develop you training goals.  Hope you can join us.

       Concensus of opinion is that we keep the lunch time rides the
same, and get together for a long ride on Tuesday evenings, with 
Thursday evenings as an alternate rain day each week.  If you would
like to add your name, delete your name or get a copy of the MKO
Bikers mailing list send me mail at AIMHI::JSMITH.  Make sure you
put a "J" in front of Smith or it`ll go to the system operator who's
a real *jerk*  when it comes to other peoples mail.

       This is a little longer version of the ride we did last Tuesday.  
Hope to see you this Tuesday, at 5:15 in the North Lot of MKO1.

       						Jerry

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       			TUESDAY NIGHT MKO  RIDE
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R. = RIGHT  TSO = TO STAY ON
L. = LEFT   B. = BARE   Y. = FORK IN ROAD 
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TERRAINE:	FAIRLY FLAT GOOD COUNTRY ROADS WITH A FEW MODERATELY
       		CHALLENGING HILLS.  BABOOSIC LAKE ROAD IS FAIRLY 	
                HEAVILY TRAVELED SO LETS KEEP SINGLE FILE FOR SAFETY.
                KEEP AT LEAST ONE WHEEL LENGTH BACK AND DON'T ALLOW 
                YOUR FRONT WHEEL TO CROSS YOUR NEIGHBORS UNLESS PASSING.

  MILE		DIRECTION AND REFERENCE
-------		-----------------------
  0.0	R.	CONTINENTAL BLVD.
  0.1	R.	OLD CAMP SARGENT RD.
  1.3   S.	AT LIGHT TSO CAMP SARGENT (TURNS INTO AMHERST AT HILTON)
  1.6   R.	ON TURKEY HILL RD
  3.6	S.	ON MC QUESTION RD
  4.6   S.	ON BABOOSIC LAKE RD (NO SIGN)
  6.6   BR	TSO BABOOSIC LAHE RD (AS SOUTH BABOOSIC GOES LEFT)
  8.0   L.	101 WEST
 11.4   R.      AMHERST EXIT TO ROUTE 122
 11.5   R.      122 SOUTH
 12.2   L.      COURTHOUSE RD.
 12.3   S.      TSO COURTHOUSE RD.
 12.5   L.      122 SOUTH (NO SIGN)
 13.1   L.      OVER BRIDGE ONTO CORDUROY AT BOSTON POST ROAD
 14.1   L.	ON CRICKET CORNER RD.
 15.1   R.	ON COUNTY RD.
 17.1   S.	OVER SEVERNS BRIDGE UP HILL
 17.6 	R.	ON PEASLEE RD (TURNS INTO NATICOOK)
 20.2	B.L.	ON CAMP SARGENT AT "Y" IN ROAD (TURNS INTO CONTINENTAL)
 21.7   R.   	RETURN TO DIGITAL

    	re: .4
    
    	Jerry,

	I'd be interested to know why you think this "system operator"
	is such a *jerk* when it comes to other people's mail. I *know*
	for a fact that any mail this *jerk* received that wasn't for
	him, was either sent back to the originator with a list of who
	the message may be intended for, or forwarded to the proper
	recipient. This doesn't seem to be the actions of a *jerk*.

							     Signed,

							     The *jerk*

	P.S. By the way, it's System Manager. And didn't your mother
	     ever tell you it wasn't very nice to call people names?

    Whew!  It's a getting hot in here!
    

    
    		Your reply just proved my point.  Also, your
    wise mouth reply to the sender of a message meant for me
    was irresponsible and offensive.  Use the mailwatch program
    I sent you to inform senders that there are multiple Smith's
    on the system or clean up your act.  If you'd like to talk to
    me about my mother, I'll be glad to settle that *outside*.
    						Jerry

    
    	re: Other Noters
    
    	Sorry for the hassle here. I'll take up Jerry's allegations
    	with him personally. He seems to be a bit too hostile for a
    	bicycle Notesfile.
    
    							       Mike
    

	The dispute between AIMHI::JSMITH and AIMHI::SMITH (which has
	nothing to do with bicycles) is being referred to their local
	personnel department.  I'm leaving their messages and replies
	in this conference as a lesson in what NOT to do.

				Your host,
				John A. Wasser

    Looks like some work frustrations got to a couple of the guys. 
    Shows you what a New England winter can do.... :^(  Actually, we
    don't want to lose either Mike or Jerry from the conference.  A
    few miles out spinning in the sun can do wonders for the spirit
    -- I mean, we cyclists know what's important in life, don't we?
    :^)
    
    Mac.

    	Re. - 1
    		Sounds fine to me......and if Mike is in need of an
    inexpensive, small frame mountain bike to spin on, he might want 
    to look at note 622.  
    						Jerry

       			M K O   B I K E   R I D E R S   


       		Starting Tuesday, May 1, 1988 we will be joining
up with the Granite State Wheelpeople at the Nashua High School 
(Visable from Route 3 right after the Nashua Mall heading South) at
5:45 every Tuesday in May and June.  In July and August we will be
conducting the Tuesday Evening at Merrimack (T.E.A.M.) Rides right
from the MKO parking lot.  We'll be looking for route suggestions
so if you have a favorite 20 to 25 mile romp around Merrimack, please
jot it down and let me know.  This arrangement should be real nice for
us since we'll have more people to ride with, be able to break into similar 
riding ability groups, and get mileage credit from the GSW.  Terrific.
See you at the Nashua High School at 5:45 (Ride begins at 6:00).

       					Jerry

              Directions:  Meet at Nashua Senior High School.  
              Take Everett Turnpike to Exit 5W.  Follow Route 111 
              west for 0.5 mile to lights.  Turn right on 
              Riverside Street.  Meet at parking lot at end of 
              Riverside Street.
              Coordinator:  Bob Samson (603) 889-2614

    re .12  Did he mean Tuesday May 10?

    Started last night, Tuesday May 3rd.
    
    Great ride!
    
    Bob

    	I hope this doesn't muddy the water, but, you can "exit" 111
    	before you get to the lights. There's a road that cuts off
    	just before the lights. Doesn't make much difference, but,
    	if you notice it, take it.
    
    	Scott

    re. -1
    	Thanks for the tip Scott.  I noticed this road, but was unsure
    if it was a service road or not.  We had a great turn out, especially
    since the sky was overcast.  Turned out to be great weather.  We
    got 25 miles in with 2 to 3 groups all averaging over 16 mph (which
    didn't go over well with some of the new comers....that'll change
    when we move the rides to the Merrimack area in July, since allot
    of MKOvians have expressed a desire to participate in novice
    rides).  We might even have to change our name from MKO riders to Southern
    New Hampshire riders since we now have members from ZKO joining us.
    The real neat thing is were also getting mileage credit and
    trailblazing help from the Granite State Wheelpeople.  How would
    the MKO ZKO Velo Club sound?  MZVC.....looks real Roman to me!?!
    Any interest in a Name that Velo Club Contest?  Winner gets to ride
    three more laps.
    						Jerry
    

   >  MZVC.....looks real Roman to me!?!

    Looks kind of like condition codes to me.

    Hey Jerry?
    
    What do you mean when you say that you get GSW credit for the miles?
    What does this credit do for you?  Also, did you happen to notice
    any NVC types at Nashua High on Tues or just GSW?  
    
    -rob_who_wishes_he_was_done_with_his_friggen_class_so_he_could_ride_on_
        mondays_and_tuesday_evenings!!!!!  Whew, that was a long one.

    	Credit is credit.....you get to see your name and cumulative
    club mileage, along with the names of all the other club members
    who have acheived a mileage amount over the cutoff.  Its just a
    little GSW recognition thing, but at the annual banquet awards
    are given....need to talk to a GSW Board member about what they
    are.  Margaret Redfern (An MKO Rider) is a board member and can
    probably fill us in on award levels.  I remember seeing several
    riders (like Ed Fisher) with Thousands of Miles credit at the
    end of the year.  BTW, only GSW sanctioned rides qualify for
    mileage credit with the GSW.  The Tuesday night ride is a sanctioned
    GSW Ride......get it?   Yes the NVC riders were there, but they
    went out in another group, although, judging from the rabbits in
    our lead pack, they may have been racing :-)
    						Jerry
    P.S.
    	Were you one of the Lunch Time riders that beat up on the
    lone runner in the North Lot last Tuesday?  The word going around
    MKO now is that a *band* of DEC ANGELS is on the loose at lunch
    time harrasing lone joggers for kicks :-) :-).

    Oh, I see....credit is credit, like parts is parts?
    Thanks for the clarification!
    
    In regards to beating up a jogger on last Tuesday, I wish I could
    say that it was me, but tuesdays I have class (just 2 more!!!!!)
    so it could not have been me....maybe next time.
    
    -rob

        Hey, we're just JOKING about beating up on joggers, right?
        We're not DEVALUING our fellow employees who happen to prefer
        to abuse their extremities by running, right?
        
        Lighten up..
        
        Tom

    
	re: .11
    
    	Jerry,
    
    	Thanks, but I needed a munchkin-frame (16") bike. I ended up
    	getting a GT Karakoram. It's great being able to laugh at
    	potholes and the like. On my Univega road bike I'm cursing
    	and/or crying at them. I think the bike can take much more
    	punishment than my body can, though. It's incredible how much
    	you can "hammer" on them without inflicting any damage.
    
    						 "Mountain Bike" Mike
    

    Now we can start a rumor that a Mountain Bike Rider was seen by
    some Audabon observers on the infamous Merrimack Fire Roads,
    startling wild life with Wheelies.  All kidding aside, have you
    ever tried the MKO fire roads at lunch?  Might be a good 
    conditioning ride for some of us looking to get the most out
    of a lunch hour, since there aren't that many hills on the
    roads in the area.  Not that I've conquered Natticook yet :-) ,
    but I'll bet the fire roads would be a great workout, if security
    doesn't get upset.  I hear they lightened up on letting cross
    country skiers use them this winter, mostly due to the influence
    of the Life Center.  Anybody know how Security/Facilities feels
    about us using the Fire Roads at lunch time?
    							Jerry

   

    	Jerry,
    
    	Where are these Fire Roads? I'm not too worried about Security,
    	because, as the saying goes, "Innocent until caught!" :-)
    
    								   Mike
    

    There are several *old* vehicle paths thru the forest around MKO.
    I am told that they are left over from the timbering days and were
    used to gain quick access to extinguish brush fires, hence, Fire
    Roads.  There are also Utility Roads.  The one I am most familiar
    with from my cross country running days is the one that goes up
    to the Microwave Tower on the hill opposite MKO1.  Its has the
    potential to be a great hill climb on a mountain bike.  The other
    flatter, roads I'm familiar with are the fire roads that can be
    assessed from Camp Sargent heading out toward route 101A.  They
    are easily distinguished by the *no trespassing* Digital Property
    Signs.  Security never bothered me when I ran on these trails, but
    I suspect you might tweak their interest if you started *blasting*
    over them in dirt machine.  Let us know how you make out if you
    ride them, and also put together a map that others can use to keep
    from getting lost back there.  You might also want to share this
    info in the MKO facility bike route note.
    						Jerry