| T.R | Title | User | Personal Name
 | Date | Lines | 
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| 240.1 | They're OK with me... | NAC::CAMPBELL |  | Mon Mar 23 1987 14:14 | 12 | 
|  |     
    Denis,
    
    	I've never heard any complaints about Raleigh frames.... Check
    what type of frame it is... Reynolds 531???? Raleigh does back up
    there frames though with a lifetime guarentee.... Most manufactureres
    do. 
    
    Guess I like Raleigh......
    
    Stew
    
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| 240.2 |  | MPGS::DEHAHN |  | Tue Mar 24 1987 07:40 | 12 | 
|  |     
    Most low end frames come out of the same handful of Taiwanese shops
    these days, so the salesperson's claims of inferiority are probably
    nothing more than a desperate sales pitch.
    
    The Raleigh is a good bike, and so is the Shogun. Teams are racing
    on Shoguns as well as Ralieghs. They both are in the same league
    at that price level, so buy what you like best.
    
    Good luck,
    CdH
    
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| 240.3 | We're going with Shogun. | JACUZI::DESHARNAIS |  | Tue Mar 24 1987 11:17 | 9 | 
|  |     Thanks for the replies.
    
    We decided to both go with the Shoguns, since the the Raleigh dealer
    didn't have what my wife wanted in stock.  I heard the Raleigh frames
    are American made.  I also heard the Shoguns were totally Japanese
    made.  It gets a little confusing......
    
    Thanks,
    Denis  
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| 240.4 | small crack in frame -- panic? | MARVIN::MACHIN |  | Tue Aug 22 1989 07:33 | 29 | 
|  |     
    I have a Raleigh frame, made of 501 tubing. It's a new bike, and I've
    noticed a problem that I suppose must have been there when I bought the 
    bike, but I'm not sure.
    
    I'm not familiar with terminology for frame parts, but it concerns the 
    part that attaches the rear wheel -- the flat bit that the nut tightens
    onto. It's the opposide side to the block side of the wheel. Anyway, 
    where this flat piece is welded to the lower tube there's a small gap:
    
    Side view:                      Top view:
                 saddle  
                  | \                        ----------------\
                  |  \                                   | |=====  ===
                  |   \                      ----------------/
                  |----O <- flat bit                      ^         ^
                                                          gap       flat bit
    
    I'm concerned in case it weakens due to corrosion or something. The 
    gap is small, but big enough for water to get into the joint. 
    
    Ever seen this before? It could have been filled with extra-thick paint,
    I suppose, but it wasn't (or it has appeared since the frame was
    painted). The bike is due for its '6 week service' next week -- worth
    moaning about?
    
    Ta
    
    Richard.
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| 240.5 | I cna't remember seeing it before. | VERVE::BUCHANAN | Bat | Tue Aug 22 1989 12:21 | 8 | 
|  |    The piece you are talking about is called the "dropout".  It does seem
   unusual that there would be a gap.  While it may still be strong enough
   it does seem like some poor workmanship.  And you said this is true
   only on one side?
   Perhaps some noters with frame building experience can help.  I would
   suggest asking someone in a good bike shop, other than the one where
   you bought it from, to take a look.
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| 240.6 | not uncommon.... | SUSHI::KMACDONALD | Is there life after drywall? | Tue Aug 22 1989 12:38 | 8 | 
|  | Voids in brazed seams are not really unheard of, and generally cause no 
problems, unless they're large. They shouldn't be found on custom or 
top-of-the line frames. Examine the crack closely for signs of new metal 
or cracking of the paint - i.e. for something that's occured since 
assembly/painting of the frame. If that's the case, then you may have a 
problem. But do point it out to the shop folks in any case; at the very 
least, they should be aware of it.
                                            ken
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