| Title: | atm | 
| Moderator: | NPSS::WATERS | 
| Created: | Mon Oct 05 1992 | 
| Last Modified: | Thu Jun 05 1997 | 
| Last Successful Update: | Fri Jun 06 1997 | 
| Number of topics: | 970 | 
| Total number of notes: | 3630 | 
		hello,
a customer wants to setup LAT over ATM on a Digital-UNIX.
But he doesn't fail.
When he does a  #latcp -e elan0 he gets the error 
"Invalid network adapter elan0 specified"
The configuration:
Digital Unix V4.0B
Alphaserver 2100 Modell 4/233 (firmware V3.8)
ATM-Adapter : ATMWORKS 350
ATM-Switch : FORE
The customer has LANEmulation und IP is working properly with ATM.
Only LAT makes trouble.
Can someone give me some hints about setting up LAT over ATM ?
And is this supported ?
(Sorry, but I'm a novice in ATM)
In the following are further details of the customers configuration.
Many thanks in advance
Norbert Woerle, CSC Munich
# ifconfig -a
tu0: flags=c63<UP,BROADCAST,NOTRAILERS,RUNNING,MULTICAST,SIMPLEX>
     inet 193.24.81.118 netmask ffffff00 broadcast 193.24.81.255 ipmtu
1500 
sl0: flags=10<POINTOPOINT>
lo0: flags=c89<UP,LOOPBACK,NOARP,MULTICAST,SIMPLEX>
     inet 127.0.0.1 netmask ff000000  ipmtu 1536 
# atmconfig up driver=lta0
# atmsig up driver=lta0
Enabled signalling on lta0.
#  atmsig ilmi driver=lta0
ILMI on lta0 (vpi = 0 vci = 16) : Enabled.
        ILMI State : Address registered.
# atmelan create driver=lta0 les=vl-archiv
# ifconfig elan0 172.18.4.55
# ifconfig -a
tu0: flags=c63<UP,BROADCAST,NOTRAILERS,RUNNING,MULTICAST,SIMPLEX>
     inet 193.24.81.118 netmask ffffff00 broadcast 193.24.81.255 ipmtu
1500 
sl0: flags=10<POINTOPOINT>
lo0: flags=c89<UP,LOOPBACK,NOARP,MULTICAST,SIMPLEX>
     inet 127.0.0.1 netmask ff000000  ipmtu 1536 
elan0:
flags=e63<UP,BROADCAST,NOTRAILERS,RUNNING,ALLMULTI,MULTICAST,SIMPLEX>
     inet 172.18.4.55 netmask ffff0000 broadcast 172.18.255.255 ipmtu 1500
# atmelan show
        Local LEC ATM Address: 47000580ffe1000000f21a018f.08002b804a20.00
              LES ATM Address: 47000580ffe1000000f21a1c34.0020481a1c34.05
              BUS ATM Address: 47000580ffe1000000f21a1c34.0020481a1c34.06
                     Lan Type: Ethernet/802.3
               Max frame Size: 1516
                   Proxy Flag: FALSE
                    Elan Name: vl-archiv
                       LEC ID: 22788 (0x5904)
     Registered MAC Addresses: 08-00-2b-80-4a-20
              Control Timeout: 10
      Max Unknown Frame Count: 0
       Max Unknown Frame Time: 1
                  VCC Timeout: 1200
              Max Retry Count: 2
                   Aging Time: 300
           Forward Delay Time: 15
         Topology Change Flag: FALSE
         LE-ARP Response Time: 1
                Flush Timeout: 4
         Path Switching Delay: 6
                Control State: S_OPERATIONAL
  Illegal Control Frames Rcvd: 0
    Control Transmit Failures: 0
   Unicast Frames Sent Direct: 0
       Unicast Frames Flooded: 0
     Unicast Frames Discarded: 0
      Non-Unicast Frames Sent: 1
     Frames Received from BUS: 84
  Frames Received Data Direct: 0
     Receive Frames Discarded: 6
       Echo Frames Suppressed: 1
          Control Frames Sent: 2
      Control Frames Received: 53
         LE-ARP Requests Sent: 1
     LE-ARP Requests Received: 0
# learp -a
le-arp cache contains 2 entries.
   MAC Address    State               ATM Address                 Flags
VPI/VCI
08-00-2b-80-4a-10 (FD) 47000580ffe1000000f21a1fe4.08002b804a10.00
0/7
00-20-48-10-2a-32 (FD) 47000580ffe1000000f21a1fe4.002048102a32.00
0/9
# ping 172.18.4.54
PING 172.18.4.54 (172.18.4.54): 56 data bytes
64 bytes from 172.18.4.54: icmp_seq=1 ttl=128 time=0 ms
64 bytes from 172.18.4.54: icmp_seq=2 ttl=128 time=0 ms
64 bytes from 172.18.4.54: icmp_seq=3 ttl=128 time=0 ms
----172.18.4.54 PING Statistics----
4 packets transmitted, 3 packets received, 25% packet loss
round-trip (ms)  min/avg/max = 0/0/0 ms
LAT-Services
=============
# latcp -d
Node name:  SEPTIMA
Multicast timer:        60 seconds
LAT version:  5         ECO:    2
Outgoing Port Groups:   0
Selected Interface Name(s):     tu0
LAT Protocol is active
Agent Status: Disabled
Maximum Number of Learned Services: 100
Service information
        Service name:   SEPTIMA
        Service ID:     Digital UNIX Version V4.0 LAT SERVICE
        Rating:         Dynamic         254
        Groups:         0
====================
    error
====================
# latcp -e elan0
Invalid network adapter elan0 specified
===============================
further Config Files
===============================
# more /etc/atmhosts
#
# This file contains the mapping between ATM addresses and host names.
# ATM addresses are 20 byte values represented here by a string of fourty
# hexidecimal digits.  No separators or non-hex characters are allowed.
# ESI's can also be specified as a string of twelve hexidecimal digits.
# Each address has one or more associated host name.
#
#        1         2         3         4
#234567890123456789012345678901234567890
#
0000000000000000000000000000000000000000        PVC
47000580ffe1000000f21a1c340020481a1c3405        vl-archiv
Nachfolgend noch die ausf�hrbaren Eintr�ge in /etc/atm.conf,
die aber meines Erachtens bisher nicht ausgef�hrt wird:
# The commands in this file are run by running
#               atmconfig source
#
print Starting ATM Network
up driver=lta0
wait state=up driver=lta0
# wait till address registration is complete
run /usr/sbin/atmsig up driver=lta0 wait
run /usr/sbin/atmarp -c lis=0 driver=lta0
# allow dynamic ESI time to register with switch
sleep 3
# For setting flow control
+vfc driver=lta0
run ifconfig lis0 atmipaddr netmask 255.255.255.0 up
# For setting a PVC
+pvc driver=lta0 converge=atmip vpi=0 vci=50
# For making this a client on a LIS
run /usr/sbin/atmarp -h lis=0 client atmserver serverip
print ATM network started
In the kernel are only the ATM-Options
Uni3.x Signalling and
LAN-Emulation
(Classical IP was not chosen)
uerf -r 300 gibt dann f�r die letzte Meldung folgendes:
********************************* ENTRY    13.
*********************************
----- EVENT INFORMATION -----
EVENT CLASS                             OPERATIONAL EVENT 
OS EVENT TYPE                  300.     SYSTEM STARTUP 
SEQUENCE NUMBER                  0.
OPERATING SYSTEM                        DEC OSF/1 
OCCURRED/LOGGED ON                      Wed Feb 19 13:01:05 1997
OCCURRED ON SYSTEM                      septima 
SYSTEM ID                 x00060009     CPU TYPE:  DEC 2100 
SYSTYPE                   x00000000
MESSAGE                                 Alpha boot: available memory from 
                                         _0x91a000 to 0x7fee000 
                                        Digital UNIX V4.0B  (Rev. 564);
Tue 
                                         _Feb 18 11:58:21 MET 1997  
                                        physical memory = 128.00
megabytes. 
                                        available memory = 118.82
megabytes. 
                                        using 483 buffers containing 3.77 
                                         _megabytes of memory 
                                        Firmware revision: 4.7 
                                        PALcode: OSF version 1.45 
                                        ibus0 at nexus 
                                        AlphaServer 2100 4/233 
                                        cpu 0 EV-45 1mb b-cache 
                                        gpc0 at ibus0 
                                        pci0 at ibus0 slot 0 
                                        tu0: DECchip 21040-AA: Revision:
2.3 
                                        tu0 at pci0 slot 0 
                                        tu0: DEC TULIP Ethernet Interface,
                                         _hardware address:
08-00-2B-E6-27-BC 
                                        tu0: console mode: selecting
10BaseT 
                                         _(UTP) port: half duplex 
                                        psiop0 at pci0 slot 1 
                                        Loading SIOP: script 1000d00, reg 
                                         _81511000, data 40654c10 
                                        scsi0 at psiop0 slot 0 
                                        rz0 at scsi0 target 0 lun 0
(LID=0) 
                                         _(DEC     RZ28M    (C) DEC 0568) 
                                        rz1 at scsi0 target 1 lun 0
(LID=1) 
                                         _(DEC     RZ29B    (C) DEC 0014) 
                                        tz5 at scsi0 target 5 lun 0
(LID=2) 
                                         _(DEC     TLZ07     (C)DEC 4BE0) 
                                        rz6 at scsi0 target 6 lun 0
(LID=3) 
                                         _(DEC     RRD43   (C) DEC  1084) 
                                        eisa0 at pci0 
                                        ace0 at eisa0 
                                        ace1 at eisa0 
                                        lp0 at eisa0 
                                        fdi0 at eisa0 
                                        fd0 at fdi0 unit 0 
                                        qvision0 at eisa0 
                                        qvision0: CMPQ Qvision 1024/E SVGA
                                        pci2000 at pci0 slot 6 
                                        lta0: Microcode Version: 1.11, 
                                         _Hardware Rev: 0.04 
                                        lta0 at pci2000 slot 0 
                                        lta0: DEC DGLPB ATM Interface, 
                                         _hardware addresses: 
                                            08-00-2B-80-4A-20 
                                            08-00-2B-80-4A-21 
                                            08-00-2B-80-4A-22 
                                            08-00-2B-80-4A-23 
                                            08-00-2B-80-4A-24 
                                            08-00-2B-80-4A-25 
                                            08-00-2B-80-4A-26 
                                            08-00-2B-80-4A-27 
                                        ATM Subsystem configured with 1 
                                         _restart threads 
                                        ltaregister: registered unit 0
with 
                                         _CMM 
                                        pza0 at pci0 slot 8 
                                        pza0 firmware version: DEC  L01
A10   
                                         _ 
                                        scsi1 at pza0 slot 0 
                                        kernel console: qvision0 
                                        dli: configured 
                                        ATM UNI 3.x signalling: configured
| T.R | Title | User | Personal Name | Date | Lines | 
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 840.1 | BERN02::DEY | Walter Dey, Berne Switzerland | Wed Feb 26 1997 04:21 | 33 | |
|     Hi
    
    I don't think that LAT (and DECnet, ...) over LANE is supported
    (see below). However, on OpenVMS it works.
    
    Gruss Walter.
    
From:	NPSS::SNAY          5-SEP-1996 09:54:19.02
To:	SUDAN
CC:	CASADAY,RENDA,BURRILL,WASTED::"rtm",BRADSHAW,[email protected],[email protected],NETCAD::HOPKINS,NETCAD::FISCH,NETCAD::COOPER,WOOF::BUCELL,RICHESSON,SNAY
Subj:	Digital Unix 4.O? and MULTICAST/ MULTIPROTOCOL SUPPORT
Hi 
      Digital Unix Engineering is attempting to deliver Multicast support
  for support of Decnet,Lat,IPX etc.. using Lane on Digital Unix. However
  they need to identify real customers that have been requesting this 
  need.
  Ranjeet we are asking that you send this out to all SE'S, WIZARDS etc..
  
  If they have a customer with this requirement please ask them to send
  me mail with the customer name address and contact. And a brief writeup
  of there requirements:
  They can send the reply to [email protected]
                          or mts$::"lkg::jim snay"
                          or NPSS::SNAY
  ThankYou
  Jim Snay
    
 | |||||
| 840.2 | Not officially supported | SMURF::GREBUS | DTN 381-1426 - Digital Unix | Wed Feb 26 1997 11:44 | 8 | 
|     Digital UNIX has never claimed support for LAT over LANE.  It has never
    been formally qualified by the group responsible for the LAT code.  In
    some informal testing here, it appeared to work and got further than
    this latcp command error.  I'm not sure what might be different in this
    case.
    
    	/gary
    
 | |||||
| 840.3 | SMURF::MENNER | it's just a box of Pax.. | Wed Feb 26 1997 15:57 | 1 | |
| i plan on looking into this tonight (feb. 26) | |||||
| 840.4 | not really an ATM problem pre se | SMURF::MENNER | it's just a box of Pax.. | Thu Feb 27 1997 20:09 | 3 | 
|     Found this problem to be caused by a new version of the DLB (Data Link
    Bridge) which was merged into V4.0B very late in the game.  Hope to
    have a patch availible soon.
 | |||||
| 840.5 | Thanks to all | MUNICH::WOERLE | Fri Feb 28 1997 01:47 | 12 | |
|     		hi ,
    
    many many thanks for your great help.
    
    .-3 "Hope to have a patch available soon"
    
    If you have this patch, please can you inform me with the location
    of this patch (MUNICH::woerle)
    
    Kind regards
    
    Norbert
 | |||||
| 840.6 | SMURF::MENNER | it's just a box of Pax.. | Fri Feb 28 1997 10:00 | 3 | |
|     RE: -.1
    
    Soon should be sometime next week.
 | |||||
| 840.7 | Yes/No supported/unsupported | KERNEL::FREKES | Like a thief in the night | Fri Feb 28 1997 10:37 | 4 | 
|     So just to clarify, LAT is still officially/unofficially
    supported/unsupported?
    
    Steven
 | |||||
| 840.8 | SMURF::MENNER | it's just a box of Pax.. | Fri Feb 28 1997 11:39 | 10 | |
|     LAT still is unsupported over ATM but since this is not a LAT (or 
    even an ATM) problem per se, the DLB will be fixed.  Ofcourse the fix
    will go into  a development pool.  To get a patch will require an
    IPMT.  The IPMT should state something to the effect that the V4.0B
    DLB does not support dynamic interfaces.  
    
    i have tried to get the owner engineering groups to verify their
    products over LANE but have had NO success.
    
    	/ron_who_is_still_trying_to_working_around_thre_system
 | |||||
| 840.9 | exit | MUNICH::WOERLE | Tue Mar 11 1997 07:23 | 26 | |
|     		hello,
    many thanks for all your replies.
    
    The customer now wants a patch.
    If I have understood the last reply correctly I must open an IPMT
    
    .-1"Ofcourse the fix will go into  a development pool.  To get a
    patch will require an IPMT."
    
    Okay but to whom should I send the IPMT ? To ATM Engineering or to
    Digital UNIX ?
    
    
    The customer wants to do LAT over LANE.
    If I have the last replies understood correctly the LAT over LANE is
    *NOT* supported. 
    When the customer wants this functionality should he send mail like
    described in .1 :
    "			      [email protected]
                              or mts$::"lkg::jim snay"
                              or NPSS::SNAY  "
    
    Many thanks in advance
    
    Norbert 
    
 | |||||
| 840.10 | Handle through Digital UNIX | SMURF::GREBUS | DTN 381-1426 - Digital Unix | Tue Mar 11 1997 13:19 | 10 | 
|     IPMT cases for problems with Digital UNIX software should go through
    the Digital UNIX support process.
    
    LAT over LANE is not officially supported.  Since this is a request for
    a new supported feature, it should go to Digital UNIX product
    management.  I believe Steve LeBlanc is the product manager responsible
    for the network area.
    
    	/gary
    
 | |||||
| 840.11 | SMURF::MENNER | it's just a box of Pax.. | Wed Mar 12 1997 22:58 | 4 | |
|     But if you enter an IPMT which states that the Data Link Bridge (the
    DLB), does not support dynamicly added interfaces - then a patch
    could be generated which will allow LAT to work (offical support
    is another issue...)
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