Conference terri::cars_uk

    I bought the Ayrton Senna McLaren advertised a few weeks back but it
    wasn't from these people. However, the quality is superb and it comes
    mounted on a nice sloping presentation plinth. The detail is excellent.
    The car is as it appeared at Donington right down to the squashed
    hedgehog (sonic style!) on the cockpit side. This is particularly
    fitting since Donington was the last time we saw him race and one of
    his greatest races.
    
    Paul

    Paul,I checked back last night over the recent issues of Motor Sport
    and Autosport and you were right (not that you ever doubted it!).
    There are two company's running adverts which are very similar (which
    confused me).I believe the one which you bought from was called aero
    something,they are the ones who are also selling Damon Hills car for
    �34 (not the real one).
     So you would recommend them....
    
    Tyrone
    
    

    Tyrone,
    
    Aero Models were excellent. I ordered via phone & Visa card and the
    model arrived guaranteed delivery within 5 days, well packed and in
    perfect order. As I said, the quality was excellent.
    
    Paul

    Thanks Paul,I will give them a try.
    
    Tyrone
    

    Has anyone bought any of the Onyx or Minichamps replica F1 cars?
    
    Tyrone
    

    Paul,what were the decals like on your model?One of mine is cracked and
    murky.
    
    Tyrone
    

    Does anyone now why most adverts these days for Die-cast models say
    they do not include cigarette decals on the models?
    
    Tyrone
    

    The most obvious reason would be the sensitive issuee of cigarette
    advertising; though somebody with more knowledge can confirm or deny
    this.
    
    There is, however, another trend in the model world (in general) which
    may partly explain this. The decals, being exact copies of company
    logos, are trademarks. Nowadays, companies are very zealous in
    protecting their trademarks, even when applied to models.
    
    Some companies are sensible about this. They realise they are getting
    free advertising, at an impressionable audience. So they license their 
    logos for a nominal fee (i.e. less than the value of the paper the
    license is printed on) to the model companies.
    
    Other companies are less sensible about this, and see the licensing of
    their logos as a way to make money and ask for ridiculous amounts of
    money. Needless to say, the model companies don't give a monkey's for
    all this, and so choose to leave out the particular logo.
                                  
    Angus

    What suprised me by the adverts was that Minichamps,Onyx etc are now
    excluding the decals,and yet if you buy a Tamiya plastic kit they have
    them included,but some other model company's don't.
    
    Tyrone
    

    I agree with .8  Both explanations are valid. 
    
    BTW, not only tobacco manufacturers do license their product logos but 
    the teams/car manufacturers also do. The model car business is getting
    tough.

�.8 The most obvious reason would be the sensitive issuee of cigarette
�.8 advertising; 

    This is the main reason. I know someone in Bruxelles who is a *keen*
    Scaletrix(sp?) collector/enthusiast. I have attended a few swap-meets
    with him in the past, and he has said that UK models are not allowed 
    to have the cigarette adverts on them.

    However, he showed me that the Spanish models do infact carry the 
    proper adverts, and in a collector's eyes, some were worth buying.

    Martin.

    What is the names of the company that does the Spanish models?And can
    you get them in the UK?
    
    Tyrone
    

    I believe that there is a Scalextric set up in Spain. I have a Lancia
    Stratos, and a Ford Mustang Funny Car (dragster) form there (which I
    bought in Denmark :-), neither of which I had seen in this country
    (about 10 years ago).
    
    The wheels / drivetrain / motors were different from the standard
    British ones as well.
    
    The boxes might have an address on, but they're at my parents so it may
    be a few months before I can check.
    
    Andy

    Tyrone,
    
    		You might wish to check some of the Car Magazines
    especially ones like IndyCar Review (the official US magazine),
    as it seems US model companies can put all the advertising on
    their cars they like. I have seen advertisments for the FW16
    with Rothmans on it.
    
    		I guess you could always buy the WAV003 Marlboro Decals
    from Tamiya and add them to the Indy Penskes by Pauls Model Art or
    the 1993 Onyx Mclarens. I would have thought it would devalue the
    cars in years to come. You can also get WAV001 Camel logos from
    Tamiya as well.
    
    	
    Giles.

    Hi Tyrone,
    
    Have you tried going to model fairs that are held all over the country
    ???  There are good ones at the NEC and Donnigton but the same
    type of shows are all over the country.  You can get all sorts of model
    stuff there from Action man cloths to Scalextric (phonecards !  dolls !
    teddy bears ! ) etc.
    
    If you like I can dig out the dates for the NEC / Donnington and post
    them here over the next few days.
    
    Andy, if you are interested in Scalextric cars then I recommend that
    you go 'cause you get a very good selection of new/used cars, track,
    etc from Hornby (Scalextric) Tyco, Ninco, SCX (Spanish cars now bust,
    but bought out by Tyco) as well as a few other thigs like kits to build
    for slot racing.  ( guess I am a model fan  'cause I carn't afford the
    real thing !! )
    
    - Mark -
    

    Giles,I don't know if there are any of the US mag's available in the
    UK,I'll have to have a look.Do you mean that Tamiya sell decals
    seperately?
    Mark,I would be interested in the show dates.I phoned up a guy the
    other day who sells Die cast cars as a side line,and he was at a swap
    meet.
    
    Tyrone
    

    It seems that the ban on cigarette adverts on cars even extends to
    those taking part in the Network Q rally,which is why the Subarus lost their
    555 logo's...
    
    Tyrone
    

    Tyrone,
    
    	Below is the details for a company called Hannants who have a 
    	massive warehouse and deal in every type of plastic model kit
    	you can imagine. They have a huge catalogue which among other 
    	things has the entire listing for Tamiya models which includes
    	part numbers WAVE01 "Camel" logo decals for 1:20,1:24,1:12 
    	and WAVE03 "Marlboro" decals for 1:20,1:24,1:12 scale models.
    	I have mail ordered some of the decals and they are ok for 1:43 
    	scale cars as well. They are 7.99 and 6.99 respectively.
    
    	Hannants
    	H.G.Hannants Ltd.
    	Trafalgar House,
    	29-31 Trafalgar Street,
    	Lowestoft,
    	Suffolk,
    	NR32 3AT.	Lowestoft (01502) 517444
    				Fax : 01502 500521.
    
    
    	The Catalogue is 2.25 and covers most types of ships, planes, cars
    	figures and decals, plus odds and sods from most manufacturers of
    	kits. They have a good mail order system, but a strange off the
    	cuff way of dealing with you on the phone. 
    
    	Incidentally I have been getting the IndyCar mag imported from the
    	US so I guess you may find it difficult finding the mag, although
    	it is meant to be available over here.
    
    	Certainly the first 12 cars plus some others from the 1994 Indy
    	Grid have been advertised in it as Die Cast 1:24 with the proper 
        advertising on them.
    
    	Giles.
    
    

    Thanks Giles,I will look into Hannants...
    
    Tyrone
    

    Hi Tyrone,
    
    Here are a few dates that I have off a fly sheet from the last fair. 
    Obviously I only picked up the ones local to me, at the time, but they
    are others all over the country.  If you go to one then you can pick up
    the sheets of interest to you or alternatively you could call the
    (major) promoters for other date/times....
    
    Dave Jowett 0115 9231639  or  John Webb  01526 398198
    
    Dates for '95 in no particular order are...
    
    Donnington Park (Nr East mids airport  ie the Race Track!) 12-Mar-95
         500 tables                                            14-May-95
                                                               20-Aug-95
                                                               27-Dec-95
    
    NEC  (B'ham)  600 tables  9-Apr-95,   18-Jun-95,  17-Sep-95,  10-Dec-95
    
    Telford  (Exibition Centre)  400 tables 5-Feb-95, 6-Aug-95
    
    London (Lee Valley Leisure Centre) Nr M25 J25
    400 tables 22-Jan-95,23-Apr-95, 16-Jul-95, 12-Nov-95
    
    All (?) dates are on a Sunday and are between 10:30 to 16:00 and @2.00
    per adult.  Parking is also generally free.
    
    Happy hunting.....
    
    - MARK -