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Conference terri::cars_uk

Title:Cars in the UK
Notice:Please read new conference charter 1.70
Moderator:COMICS::SHELLEYELD
Created:Sun Mar 06 1994
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2584
Total number of notes:63384

1797.0. "Shogun queshtion....." by SBPEXE::PREECE (That's MISTER Megalomaniac to you....) Mon Jun 15 1992 10:37

In the current spate of "King off the road" ads, Mitsubishi show a heavily
prepared Shogun leaping across the desert in the (?) Paris-Dakar.

Now, I can appreciate that you need to do a number of things to prep it for
competition (not *too* much, actually, I should suppose, having driven its cousin
the Pajero in some fairly unlikely places...), but can anyone tell me why it has
to have a wing on the back ?  

Let's face it, the 'gun is not a low-line ground-effect racer, it's a big lump
of brute power which has more than enough weight to keep it down....does it
really need the relatively tiny amount of extra down-force from a rear wing to
keep the wheels down while racing over all that smooth sand...?

....is it to keep it stable in the air, while leaping from rut to rut ?

Or is it just an extra bit of flat surface to put a few more stickers on ?

Ian
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1797.1Similarity is just skin deep!NEWOA::SAXBYVote for Perot : He's got $3B!Mon Jun 15 1992 10:4711
    
    The Paris-Dakar Shoguns bear absolutely no relation to the road
    Shoguns, or at least no more than the P-D Citroens do to a roadgoing 
    ZX!
    
    The wing is presumably to add traction at speed (keeping them rear
    wheels on the ground). Although seeing Saby's speed in the car bearing 
    no rear bodywork at all, I have to agree that it's actual effect can't
    be that great.
    
    Mark
1797.2ESBS01::RUTTERRut The NutThu Jun 18 1992 00:3128
�    The Paris-Dakar Shoguns bear absolutely no relation to the road
�    Shoguns, or at least no more than the P-D Citroens do to a roadgoing ZX!
    
    Hear, Hear !
    
    First the vehicle will have *HUGE* amounts of changes/developments
    compared to the [off-]road versions sold through dealers.
    
    Consider the difference between a road-going Mk 2 Escort and
    a Group 4 rally RS 1800, or that between the, admittedly fast,
    Cowsworth Scumbag Sierra (sorry, a bit of bias got in there) and
    that campaigned (not too successfully, I'm glad to say) by the
    factory rally team...  Do you think it's the same car ?
    
    As for the rear wing - I think it will have some benefit, when
    you consider the high speeds that the Paris-Dakar Rally-Raid cars
    get up to, given the chance.  What was the distance that Ari Vatanen
    was jumping in the 205 rally-raid car during testing, 400 yards ???
    
    Whether the Paris-Dakar vehicle wins or not does not really mean
    that the 'base vehicle' is good or not.  The Lada Niva is a very
    capable vehicle in off-road, trials-type, conditions, but is a no-hoper
    if you consider it for high speed, rough terrain work.  So how then is
    it a possible contender in the Paris-Dakar type of events ?
    
    Also, when did you ever see an off-roading Citroen ZX ?
    
    J.R.
1797.3just your average shopping trolley...SKIWI::EATONMarketing - the rubber meets the skyThu Jun 18 1992 03:448
There is *no* repeat no relationship between the race and the road cars. The
"Citroen" is in fact the "405" raider which was the 205 T-16 based car in the
old Group B days (sigh).

We're talking about mid-engined, 1700 16v turbo, spaceframe chasis, 6-700 bhp,
competition brakes, huge wheel travel etc etc.

0-100kph in 3-4 sec on gravel and that sort of thing...