Conference terri::cars_uk

    I too would like somebody to tell of their experiences regarding
    Rover/Austin Montego estates. I too am looking for an alterative to a
    BX diesel and would appreciate a un-biased view. (Is that possible?)
    
    I've heard the newer models are VERY much improved over the first
    attempts and that these earlier models smoked a lot due to the
    injection method.
    
    The reason for the change of heart is purely one of demand. I cannot
    find a late model 17TZD estate under �10,500 and under 20k
    miles...unless anyone else knows better? All the franchise garages seem
    to what to rip you off. Who says theres a recession?
    
    Dave 

>>        <<< Note 1779.2 by ARRODS::BARROND "Snoopy Vs the Red_Barron" >>>
>>    The reason for the change of heart is purely one of demand. I cannot
>>    find a late model 17TZD estate under �10,500 and under 20k
>>    miles...unless anyone else knows better? All the franchise garages seem
>>    to what to rip you off. Who says theres a recession?
    
    That's because there isn't such a thing....
    There is a BX TZD Turbo Estate (which happens to have a 1769cc engine)
    but there's no 17 anywhere in the name. And as the TZD is the top trim,
    and it has Turbo performance, you're looking for a mythical beast.
    
    Richard

    Richard
    
    I thought I was implying a turbo model. To quote (without permission)
    Autocar & Motor...
    	New Car Prices
    		BX estates
    		1.7 17TZD turbo diesel 	�13990
    
    Any more comments on Montego 2.0 DSLX turbo diesel estates? This the
    top trimmed version complete with turbo performance.
    
    Dave

    I think reply 1 is far too biased.
    
    Being the satisfied owner of a BX 19 TGD estate for 18 months, I can
    agree to a great extent that it is a very good car...but, it is very
    plastic and thin!
    
    I test drove a Montego Diesel DX saloon about 20 months ago, and liked
    it...felt solid, good ride, and economy. This had the turbo.
    The Maestro diesels are in short supply and are non-turbod as far as I
    recollect. A|gain, they are supposed to be very economical with the
    Perkins engine. Some BT vans have done over 150K miles without a
    problem.
    
    What you may find though (as I did on the car scheme), is that the
    Citroen represents staggering value for money. Having said that, if it
    was a private purchase, and I was interested in residual second-hand
    values, I'd go for a Peugeot 405 or VW Passat.
    
    Tim

    Re .5
    					 New Cost	Depcrec on new cost
    							After 3yrs + likely
    							S/H value.
    Rover Montego 2.0 DSLX turbo diesel  �14279		50% 	�7100
    Pug 405 1.8 GRD turbo diesel Est	 �14678		52%	�7600
    Citroen 1.7TZD turbo diesel Est	 �13990		48%	�6700
    All from Autocar & Motor 10/6/92 without permission
    
    Well after this little bit of maths I shall be looking at the Pug and
    the Rover.
    
    Dave (ex Citroen flag waver)
    
    

    Thanks for the details of depreciation.
    
    I think it just goes to show what a bad deal buying new is!
    
    Scrooge Tim

    A mate of mine has a 405 diesel estate and swears it's wonderful.I've
    driven it, and I was very impressed. The engine is superb, it's just a
    little small for me.
    
    Laurie.

    Re: .8
    
    I'd second that.   I drive a 405 GTDT, and I'm very pleased with it.
    Plenty of room (though driver headroom is possibly an issue for the
    Larger Person), decent performance and good economy.
    
    Same engine as the Citroen TZD.   Quiet, too.
    
    48,000 miles, so far, and no real problems that weren't of my own
    making.
    
    
    Ian

    Hi re .6.. 
    	
    	Nothing showing for the Meastro 2.0 DLX (Non turbo.) - Coz they
    dont do it.. But still any info on the S/H prices then.. with the
    Montego dropping up to 50% thats sounds better than what I thought..
    
    Cheers,
    		Stu.			

    Re last

    Hi Stu
    How remiss of me

    Rover Maestro 2.0 LX diesel		�10201	46%	�4700
    Rover Maestro 2.0 Clubman diesel	�8639	47%	�4050 
    
    In case it was'nt clear the deprecation figures are the car's value
    after 3yrs/30k miles as a percentage of the new price.
    
    Dave

	One way of avoiding a big part of the hit is to buy an ex-demo,
	I had the Montego at 4 months with 6,000 at 3,000 quid cheaper, and
	previously to that I had a Meastro EFI at 3 months with 4,000 miles
	at 2,500 cheaper than new.

	TIP: Do the deal on a new car first, then ask about demos, you can then
 	tell how much "cheaper" is.

	Heather

    HI,	
    	Someone said buy a Citreon, I thought Nah Yuk... But I have since
    seen a BX 19RD for NOT A LOT of Money.... But It has 110,000 Miles.. Is
    this a lot for a Diesel/Citreon..
    
    A Quick reply would be appreciated...
    
    Ta,
    	
    	Stu.

I'd say not really, but it depends on age model (saloon/estate) and asking 
price.

But by milage alone I wouldn't exclude it.

Richard

    Re .-1 
    	
    	Thanks,
    	
    	Model 19RD Year 1998/90 its on a F Plate. (Its apears to be in good
    nick..) - Is there a specific note that shows what to look for when
    buying S/H...
    
    Ta,
    	Stu.
    
    PS Price 2.5k

This is confusing, fast as I answer 1 you reply to another :-)

see 37.620.

Richard

    Thanks Richard Will Do...

    I was talking with a mechanic at Speen Garage in Newbury (Citroen main
    dealer) where I always get my Lease car serviced.
    
    he said there was one condition that the 19RD and TGD sometimes gets,
    and that's a pitted head, caused by the strength of the coolant fluids
    attacking the alloy.
    He said that if it occurs, the head and the complete water system have
    to be replaced! Sounds expensive!
    
    Anyone else heard of this problem?
    
    Tim

    I'd go for the Metro if you can cope with a small car...it's better
    built than the Maestro/Montego, and very frugal.
    
    Tim

    I think Lada are to bring out a Diesel Samara in the near future...now
    that's a prospect well worth considering.
    Also saloon version coming!
    
    tigger
    

    .1
    
    OK, I own up, I am the one who bought a Maestro DLX!!
    
    Apart from the dated look and minor rattles, I have been rather pleased
    with mine. I average 54.45 MPG (todays calculated figure) and have achieved
    60 MPG at times. Even I if cruise at 80 MPH all day on the motorway, it
    still returns 53 MPG. I currently pay �1.94 per gallon for diesel.
    
    After much research, I went for the Maestro for economy and the very
    good report the Diesel Car magazine gave it. Very blue smoke when the 
    engine is cold, but soon disappears. The 2 stage injection makes it
    quieter than the average diesel and when above 30 MPH, nobody can tell
    that you are driving one. Acceleration matches the equilvalent
    Vauxhall/Ford petrol versions. Wind noise a little irritating at this
    speed.
    
    It has a Honda gearbox and is very forgiving coupled with a beefed up
    suspension to take the weight of the heavier Perkins developed engine.
    Wider than the normal tyres. I work at the Crescent (live in Wokingham)
    and quite happy to let anyone to view its to see the condition at
    33,000 miles.
    
    Regards
    
    -Keith-
    
    Now on 7-781-1109

    Thanks Keith,
    	
    Just what I wanted to here.. Facts & figures that actually match with
    what the Manufactures say...
    
    	Regards,
    
    Stu.
    

    Well done Keith. 
    
    I'm glad you decided not to go with the 'herd', and have found your
    judgement proven to be justified.
    If the Maestro had been competitive on the scheme I may have opted for
    it.
    
    Tim