Conference terri::cars_uk

>>    the same model, but with 4 doors (if they do one, if not one with a 
    
    If you want a 4-door (or 5-door), get yourself an integrale !
    
    J.R.

    
    I don't want to get MYSELF anything. It's for the wife...
    
    Mark
    
    PS When we test drove an Integrale, she had it up to 120 MPH. Do you
    really think I want to buy for her insurance on a Delta?!?!?! :^)
    
    

    May Glasses Guide
    
    Fiat Uno Fire 45S 1988 F plate 42K miles 3 Door.
    
    Cost New 5789   Good Con Retail 2950    Basic Trade 2125
    
    Doug

    
    
    Great, Thanks Doug.
    
    Mark

    
    Hope Mark doesn't mind me using the end of his topic but does anyone
    have a rough idea how much the following should be ...
    
    Peugeot XS 1.4 'F' reg '88' - 42k miles
    
    
    many thanks in advance .... Justin.

    
    I've changed the title to make it more generic as I guess Justin and I 
    are not alone in wanting to know the value of a used car.
    
    Mark

    >> Hope Mark doesn't mind me using the end of his topic but does anyone
    >> have a rough idea how much the following should be ...
    
    >> Peugeot XS 1.4 'F' reg '88' - 42k miles
    
    	How 'rough' an idea do you want?  My F reg XS 1.4 (reg 88) came to 
    	the end of its lease last March, and PHH offered it to me for �3885.
    
    	An excellent car, and in a lot ways better than the GTi.	
    
    	Ian.

    Peugeot  205 XS 1.4 F 88 42K miles May Glasses
    
    new 7385   GCR 5175  BASIC T 4100
    
    As we pay a reasonable amount to have Glasses Guide cos we need it, we
    can respond to these requests, as and when we pop into this Note.
    
    If you are in REO, you can always visit us in F3 and ask to look at the
    current guide - we won't let you leave with it.
    
    Please do not mail us or phone us, we are only a little group and we have
    enough work to do as it is.
    
    I'm sure you Noters will take this as it is meant.
    
    Doug
    

    Just cos I'm here, there's no need to take the .....
    
    You have to be precise in your description, eg 90 golf Gti 5dr etc.
    means telling you:
    
    VW Golf 1.8 5d MkII Gti 
    
    Year	Plate	MilesK	New Cost	G C R	Basic T
    90		G	26	11929		8400	6775
    90		H	21	12664		9050	7375
    
    This service will close down now for the Bank Holiday
    
    Doug

    Re: .2
    
    120MPH . . . and on the wrong side of the road!
    
    They say that people who live on islands become slighty mad.
    

>>    120MPH . . . and on the wrong side of the road!
    
    The wrong side of the road, or of the car ?
    
>>    They say that people who live on islands become slighty mad.
    
    True.  But maybe not only 'slightly'...
    
    J.R.

    Can anyone tell me how much a '88 Fiat Uno Pop is worth? 3 door model,
    950cc engine (;-))... urm good condition... sunroof as extra... approx
    55,000 miles...
    
    Cheers,
    
    				Lewis.

    
    Re .11
    
    Well I didn't _say_ where it was did I?
    
    Mark

    Doug
    
    Mind giving me the Glass Guide figures for a...
    
    Citroen BX 14E Leader Feb '88 E Plate. 33k miles
    
    Dave

    Most of my exposure to the U.K. comes from Dick Francis' mysteries and
    reruns of The Saint!  Most of the cars you discuss are unkown to me,
    but it makes interesting reading.  My genes came from England in 1635,
    but they have not returned for a visit, yet.
    
    Carry on! 

    Ref .13
    
    Nearest I can get to that description is:
    
    Uno 45 (903cc or 999cc) 3dr 88E expected 45K miles so deduct for high 
    mileage,    GCR 2150  Basic T 1400
    
    Ref .15
    
    Citroen BX14 E Leader 88E Expected 45K miles, so add on for low
    mileage,    GCR 3500  Basic T 2700
    
    Doug

Here's another.


Jan 88 E Plate PEUGEOT 309XE - 40,000 MILES, good condition?

What value do you take or do you take an average?

i.e. Book 3000

     Trade 2000

     Actual 2500

Rgds,
Tony.

    
    309XE 1118cc 88E 3dr 4speed 45K miles GCR 2875 Basic T 2250
    
    309XE 1294cc 88E 3dr    "      "       "  3225	   2525
    
    Doug	

    Please put the details in for
    
    Ford Escort 1.6 GL, H reg August '90 (not the new shape) 20K miles.
    
    Thanks,
    
    Lisa.
    

    
    Ford Escort 1.6 GL 90H not new shape 20K miles - 5door
    
    GCR	6600	Basic T	5500 expected 21K miles - adjust each value upwards
    by �150 if Auto box.
    
    Doug

What does the book say for a 1987 Vauxhall Senator 3.0CD Auto (Old Shape)
Average to Low mileage / FSH 

_Richard

    June (yes aren't we up to date ?) Glasses says
    "New" Senator 3.0i CDi Sal 4d Auto Sep 87 E plate 51K miles
    
    GCR	8250	Basic T 6300
    
    or
    
    Senator 2968cc Sal 4d Auto CDi 87 D plate 54K miles 
    
    GCR 4825	Basic T 3350
    
    Doug

    
    What could I expect to get for a Ford Granada 2.0i Ghia X, Dec 90 
    H plate, 22,000 miles? (FSH with 6 months extended warranty remaining)
    
    And what could I expect to pay for a Sierra 2.0i Ghia Estate about one
    year old?
    
    Thanks,
    
    Chris
    

    Ref.25
    Granada Saloon Ghia X 2.0 90 Hplate 22K miles
    
    GCR 11025	Basic T	8975
    
    Granada Hatch Ghia X 2.0 90 Hplate 22 K miles
    
    GCR	11400	Basic T	9325
    
    Sierra Est 2.0 Ghia 15K miles 91H plate
    
    GCR	11025	Basic T	9425
    
    Doug

     
    Doug,
    
    How about a 1988 'F' Escort Cabriolet 44k miles power windows/hood
    in average condition.
    
    
    Ta.
    
    Adam.

    88F Ford Escort XR3i cabrio =
    
    Sep88  Cost New 11874     GCR 6600    43K Miles   Basic T 5225
    
    Add approx 100 if all white, tu-tone, monotone, tennis, or two-tone,
    add approx 250 for power hood, deduct approx 100 for over miles.
    
    Doug

The Which guide to new and used cars says of the 1.6 escort


Against: troublesome

    Doug
    
    Can you oblige me with prices for a
    
    Rover Montego 2.0DSL turbo diesel 1990 on a 'G' 30k miles
    
    Cheers
    
    Dave

    Dave,
    
    The book gives two prices as follows:
    
    Saloon 4D 89G 34K miles New Cost 11,380 GCR 6,875 Trade 5,675 that is
    the DSL
    
    Saloon 4D 90G 27K miles New Cost 11,650 GCR 7,550 Trade 6,325 that is
    for a March 90 DSLX.
    
    Doug
    

    How does one get hold of a copy of the Glass guide ?
    
    
                      Regards
                       KR

    Slip a fiver to a friendly car dealer!
    
    Glass's guide is available to the trade only.
    
    Try the Parker's guide, available from newsagents. It's accurate enough for 
    the private buyer. 
    
    Huw.

    and cheaper !! - Glasses costs �110 per year for each copy.  
    Digital gets it as a large Fleet Operator and self insurer and needs
    the same reference book as its suppliers use.
    
    Doug

    Could some kind person post the Glass's (or whatever they use) Guide
    price for a Ford Granada Mk II 2.8 Ghia X? It's got an A registration
    and has done about 10,000 miles. It's **NOT** the Injected version...
    it has good old fashioned easily fixable carbs. Condition would be
    rated as A1. It's my father-in-law's and I **KNOW** how he looks after
    it.
    
    This might just be where I put some of my redundancy money......  
    
    Dick (who's not sure whether to put a :-) or a :-( here.....)

    .35 
    Closest we can get
    
    Ghia 2.8 X 1984 A Regshould be around 74,000 miles books at Good Cond
    Retail 2,975, Basic Trade 1,800.
    
    Doug

    Thanks, Doug. How, in your opinion, would the extremely low mileage
    affect the values that you quote if the vehicle was used as a trade in?
    
    The 10K miles is verifiably true as my father-in-law has kept all the
    MoT certificates. I bought his last car (another Granada, this time a
    Mk I) off him 8 years ago when it had only done 25K miles in five years
    from new. For him, 5K/annum was **HIGH** mileage..... ;-). The Mk I has
    still only done a total of 52K miles from new. Since I just got the
    redundancy package, I was looking for a cheap but well-looked after and
    reliable motor and father-in-law's timing is impeccable.

    Glasses has mileage tables to adjust values but these only go back to
    86C plates, and for 10K miles only go back to 89F plates.  The
    adjustment quoted at that level adds �725 to the value, and I guess
    that's as much as you could expect because whilst the mileage may be
    true and proveable, the trade will have a job convincing a prospective
    buyer of the truth.
    
    I have a similar problem, a B plate Astra 2nd car which had a new
    engine at 35K miles so a well re-conned body with a new engine that
    albeit 3 years old has only done 10K miles.  I believe it worth more to
    me to run it for a long time, than selling would achieve.  So your
    answer must be to buy it and run it as long as the body lasts through
    MOT's.
    
    Doug

    So, how about an 85C plated BMW 323i, with 93,000 miles ? FSH,
    normal c*ap ...

    323i
    
    Saloon 2door 85B (last index listed) 68K miles Retail �4,225 
    Trade �3,050
    
    Saloon 4Door 85B   			 68K miles Retail �4,400
    Trade �3,175
    
    No real data on mileages for this car, but suggest you deduct approx
    �800 from above values.
    
    Doug

Thanks for that. It is infact a C-reg. It must be an '85 model on an '86
plate.

Do you have the price for a 2-door 325i on a C plate, just to give me an
idea of what price to aim for ?

    325i 
    
    86C 2door Saloon 62K miles Retail �5,625 Trade �4,200 but if 90K miles
    deduct �1,250 from these values.
    
    D

	Do you have a price for:

	
	Montego 2.0 GTI     August 89 (G)   31,000 miles 


	Thanks,
	Heather

Thanks again. So, Ukl 3000 should be about what to look for ...

    .43
    
    Montego Saloon 2.0 GTi 89Gplate @35K miles (so add a tad for under
    mileage), Retail �5,775 Trade �4,500
    
    D

	Thanks Doug.

    Can I just point out that the Glasses Guide figures I give in this
    conference are just that, and, in the current rash of people jumping
    off this ship (or walking the plank) I have no idea how the guide
    values compare to asking prices for used lease cars.  
    
    Doug
    

    Doug,
    
    I am plan to sell my 1988 F, VW Golf 1600CL 5 Door with 42000
    miles.  What does Glasses say?
    
    Many thanks
    
    Charles

    
    VW Golf 1600CL 5Door 88F 43000 (NB) miles
    
    Cost New 8,398
    Glasses Trade	4,275
    Retail		5,300
    
    Doug

    
    	One more if you would be so kind
    	ESCORT XR3I 89G (1990 MODEL) 48,000 miles
    
    	Thanks,
    		Tony

    .50
    
    Book says
    
    SEP89G 35K Miles 	Trade 4,100 	Retail 5,325
       90G 28K Miles   	  "   4,550	Retail 5,800
    
    Deduct 825 for over mileage on Sep89
    Deduct 1225 on 90
    
    D	

    Doug, What's the bible say about Discoveries, please?
    
    Can you post the figures for G and H plate vehicles, 5 door variants?
    
    Ta muchly!

    
    Discovery's
    No 5Doors before Sept 90
    
    Desc.		Cost New 	Retail	Year	Miles	Trade
    V83528
    ESTATE 5D		20470		16050	90H	23K	13800
    					17400	91H	16K	15050
    			20895		18950	  J	11K	16500
    4CY 2495CC
    TDI TURBO ESTATE 
    5D			19785		16150	90H	23K	14100	
    					17425	91H	16K	15325
    			20210		18875	  J	11K	16725
    
    Doug

    Thanks Doug..... I should have saved you work and told you of a
    preference fro the TDi......
    
    Sorry.....
    
    P.S. thanks for the No-claims bonus letter!

    
    Doug.
    
    Any price on an.................
    
    H reg (2 year old) Fiesta XR2i. 40,000 on the clock. I would
    say good condition.
    
    Cheers,
    
    JN.

    RE.55
    
    Fiesta XR2i 90 on H plate books at Retail �6,825, Trade �5,600 @ 23K miles,
    Group 5 on an H deduct �1,050 for 40K miles.
    
    D

    
    Thanks Doug.
    
    I was somewhat suprised at the price, higher than I expected.
    
    JN.

    
    Doug, what does glasse's say about the following 2:
    
    Ferrari F40, reg 90 1000 miles, condition supposedly good 
    Porsche 959, reg 89 3000 miles, condition as above.
    
    The reason I ask is that I was reading the times yesterday (Sunday's)
    and both cars were offered by some garage in London for � 229,000,
    quite a drop from a few years ago.
    

    Just re-checked it, according to the book, the "old" fiesta ran from a
    Y plate to a F plate and was the XR2 not the "i".
    
    The "i" was introduced in Sept 89 on a G plate, the price quoted was
    for a car with alloys, which became standard in Sept 91.
    
    check this  	89G 35K Retail 	5775	Trade 	4600
    			90G 28K 	6325		5125
    			90H 23K		6825		5600
    			91H 16K		7475		6175
    			91H 11K		8200		6850
    
    So the adjustment for mileage takes yours with 40K on it back (as
    t'were) to approx. 89G values.
    
    Doug

    Re .58
    
    The Book is silent on such 'toys'.  Contacts tell me it's a buyers
    market as and when they come up.  If you've got the cash, "nick 'em".
    
    A couple of guys I know who have 'invested' in Ferrari's are just
    holding their breath hoping they don't have to sell them to pay their
    underwriting losses at Lloyds.
    
    D

    .58�    Ferrari F40, reg 90 1000 miles, condition supposedly good 
    
    .58�    and both cars were offered by some garage in London for � 229,000,
    
    In France F40's currently sell for 2MFF which is 200KUK pounds. There
    are a few for sale.
    
    959 ? I haven't seen one on the market recently.
    
    There were 1000 x F40's built vs 220 x 959's. 959's tend to be kept by
    their owners (collections, museums)

    Is there any mention in the 'guide' yet about the new Granada Estates?
    I wondered if there were any on the second-hand market yet. Also, the
    new Audio 100 Avant Estate, preferably 6-spd diesel.
    
    Cheers, Laurie.

    
    If, *IF* I had the cash I wouldn't spend it on a motor with no door
    handles. Nearest I'm going to get to them is if I take your advice, 
    although your punctuation was incorrect.
               
    �    market as and when they come up.  If you've got the cash, "nick 'em".
  
      should read
    
    �    market as and when they come up.  If you've got the cash. "nick 'em".
                                                                 ^
    
    

    Sorry Laurie, nothing so far on either new Granada Estates or 
    new Audi 100 Avant Estates.
    
    D

    I guessed as much! Thanks for looking. Should you spot one and
    remember, please post, I'm looking between now and Christmas.
    
    Many thanks, Laurie.

    
    
    Thanks again Doug.
    
    The Fiasco in question is a 90 model on an H plate therefore
    no alloy wheels. I would guess that the trade price you gave 
    of �5800 could actually be the private sale price all things
    considered. Perhaps then the trade price would be about �5000
    or thereabouts.
    
    JN.

    Hi Doug
    
    Could you give me a rough idea of what I'd expect to pay for a 1989 'G'
    Plate Ford Orion 1600E with high miles (ie 60K).
    
    Thanks 
    Chris.

    This is good
    
    Book says, Orion 1600Ei equivalent to iGhia + �800
    
    iGhia G plate @36K miles shows retail @�6,300, Trade �5,075
    
                                        +     800      +    800
    				      	  -------	-------
    					    7,100	  5,875
    Deduct for 60K miles                -   1,200      -  1,200
    					  -------	-------
    					    5,900	  4,675
    Doug

    Doug
    
    Thanks very much, that's good news for me.
    
    
    Chris.
    

Please can you give me a price for a Honda Integra EX F reg (89) approx 35000 
miles.


Regards


Shaz

    Shaz
    
    Integra EX 5d Hatch 89F 39K miles Retail �6,250 Trade �5,250
    
    Doug

    Hi Doug,
    
    I have a 1990 G reg Peugeot 205 XL.  It has 17,000 miles on the clock
    and is in excellent cond.  
    
    Could you let me know how much it's worth please??
    
    Many thanks,
    
    Vanessa
    

    I'd appreciate the prices for the following please:
    
    Ford Granada Estate LX, 2.0l Automatic, 85K miles
    
    Peugeot 505 GTi 2.2 Family Estate, 5-spd, 59K miles
    
    Thanks, Laurie.

    Re. .72
    
    Peugeot 205 XL
    
    presume this is a 1.1 litre engine
    
    4 speed box 89G Retail 4,725, Trade 3,775 at 36K miles
    5 speed box 90G        5,150        4,175    29K
    
    Add �300 to both for under mileage.
    
    Doug

    
    Re. .73
    
    Laurie - Year and Plate (eg. G,H etc.) for both cars please.
    
    D

RE:                      <<< Note 1772.75 by CHEFS::ARNOLD >>>
    
�    Laurie - Year and Plate (eg. G,H etc.) for both cars please.
    
    Good grief! What a plonker! Sorry.
    
    The Granny is '85 on a 'B', the Escort is '86 on a 'D'
    
    Laurie.

    To Vanessa .72 the figures I gave this morning were August figures but
    since then Septembers Glasses arrived but there is no need to change
    because the car is under miles anyway.
    
    To Laurie, who is still on his Bank Holiday (Escort ? what Escort ?)
    
    Ford Granada 2.0 LX Auto Estate 85K on 85B
    Retail �2,800 Trade �1,750 at 69K miles - not grouped so difficult to
    do the mileage calculation but expect a reduction.
    
    Peugeot 505 GTi Fam Estate 59K on 86D
    Retail �6,150 Trade �4,675 at 56K so expect a reduction because the
    book expects D to be 87 and it is slightly over mileage.
    
    Doug

RE:                      <<< Note 1772.77 by CHEFS::ARNOLD >>>
                                     -<   >-
�    To Laurie, who is still on his Bank Holiday (Escort ? what Escort ?)
    
    Oh dear.... We didn't have a holiday here, maybe that's the problem...
    
    Ok, second try... the Peugeot is 59K on 90G
    
    Laurie (the dunce).

    Laurie
    
    Will the real Peugeot please stand up
    
    505 GTi Fam Est 2.2 litre 90G at 59K miles books at
    
    Retail �11,225	Trade � 9,250  at 30K miles
    Minus  � 2,300	      � 2,300  for over mileage
    	   -------	      -------
    	   � 8,925	      � 6,950
    
    September Glasses
    Doug  

    Many thanks Doug.
    
    Laurie.

    
    Hi Doug,
    
    Can you give me a price for a 1990 (G reg) Vauxhall Astra 5-door 1400L
    with 24,000 miles.
    
    Thanks, Phil

    Hi Doug,                       
           
    If this service is still operating - how much would/should  I expect
    for (assuming this May Glasses Guide thing goes back this far): 
                                              
    a VW GOLF, A or B reg, 1.8/1.6  GL       
    a VW GOLF, A or B reg, 1.8/1.6  Cabriolet                         
                                              
    Both with 60K on the clock ?
          
    Winton

    
    RE .81
    
    Astra 1400L 90G 24K
    
    Retail 5,650,  Trade 4,675  @30K miles  add about �150 to each for
    under mileage.
    
    Doug

    
    Re .82
    
    Model detail				Reg.	Retail	Trade
    
    Golf 1.6 5door MkII 4+E/GL			A	2575	1650
    						B	3075	2100
    	 1.6 Cabriolet GL			A	3200	2000
    						B	3775	2525
    	 1.8 3door GTi				A	2575	1475
    						B	3100	1950
    	 1.8 Cabriolet GTi			A	3500	2150
    						B	4100	2700
    
    These based on A Reg @75K miles and B Reg @69K miles, so allow more for
    under mileage, but only about �100 more on each price.
    
    Doug	

    I tried popping round but in case I can't, here's a much more specific 
    request:
    
    VW GOLF 1.8GL, 1987E, 41K
    VW GOLF 1.8GL, 1988?, ??K
  
    Both apparently vgc...
     
    Winton                             

    Winton -> .85
    
    Golf 1.8 GL 87E 	Retail 	4950 	Trade 	3825 @	53K miles
    		88E	   	5325		4175	48K
    		88F		5800		4625	45K
    
    Doug

    Doug,
    
    Many thanks for your public service....Im sure you are helping a lot of
    people.  At present I have a July 92 Glasses guide for a limited peroid
    of time, but am aware that values of cars change greatly when the new
    plate letters are issued.  can you indicate (approximately) what price
    changes occur around the August Sept timeframe ???
    Thanks in advance,
    Paul

    Paul .87
    
    Quoting from August and September Glasses Editorials:
    
    August
    'general downward movement of values in the area of �100 for an average
    1300cc car and around �250 for a 2000cc.  Hot hatch models continue to
    drift in the market and remain behind book owing to dealer 'play safe'
    policy.  It is difficult to forecast where these models will finally
    settle in the used market'
    
    September
    'further falls in used values across the whole spectrum, small cars
    easing by about �75.  1400cc by �150 and 2000cc by �300.  Large cars
    with a macho image (sic) continue to be a problem with falls of
    �400/500.'
    
    D

    
    In view of the fact that Glasses Guide is protected by copyright, I
    think that it would be better if this topic were to be write-locked.
    
    I think that the service can still be given on an individual basis but
    not in such a way as to make the information as public as this forum
    allows.
    
    Therefore, if you want to know values, please ask me by mail (you won't
    get thru by phone!!) and I will try to continue the service.
    
    I'm on CHEFS @REO
    
    Doug

    Anyone any idea what a 93 K reg Cavalier 1.8LS with 18k on the clock
    should go for?
    
    The garage has a screen price of �7995, and my friend wants to pay cash
    [he doesn't work for Digital ;^)], what kind of discount should he be
    looking at?
    
    Cheers,
    
    Greg

    Greg,
    
    Cavalier 1.8LS '93 K/L 18k miles      6625 (trade)     8675 (retail)
    
    Source: Oct '94 'What Car?'
    
    �7995 sounds like a reasonable deal from a garage with warranty etc.
    
    
    Royston

    What does a very recent Pug 205 TD go for these days? Say 93-94
    vintage. I'd buy new if I could find one (they don't make them any
    more)
    
    Cheers, Laurie.

    �Pug 205 TD
    
    205 1.8 XRDT           K-L '93 18k miles       6075 (trade)  7100 (retail)
    205 1.8 GRDT           K-L '93 18k miles       6375 (trade)  8050 (retail)
    
    No '94 prices.
    
    Royston

    Thanks.
    
    Laurie.