Conference terri::cars_uk

... this should then stop the automatic venting stuff doing its thing.

Scott

A friend of mine has one which does the same thing.  We thought it was the fuel
tank too.  Don't know of a fix though.  .-1 would work I expect, but it would be 
better to fix the cause rather than the symptom, if possible.

Mike.

    A friend of mine has the same thing on a 214 model Rover.
    Even when its been turned off for a couple of hours you can
    hear this gentle cow like noise emitting from the car, although 
    have'nt managed to pinpoint where it's coming from.
    	Can't be exactly sure but I thought he said he had already
    thought of the ventilation hole and actually bought one but
    the elusive old cow still seems present.
    
    Martin

    I think I have a cure for this mooooing.   First you get up real
    early in the morning (preferably before sunrise) you get a stool
    and a metal bucket :-) and you milk it......
    
    Ha ha ha hee hee he  :-):-):-):-):-):-)                                                                  
    
    I am terribly sorry for this reply but I just couldn't help myself
    I hope it nothing to serious....seriously
    JP

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    I've got a 216 and boy does it moo if two of you shake the
    leaving out of the rear end. We managed to get a 1 min uninteruppted
    solo !!!!
    

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    So does Mike Roe in note 1205 ............

Shut up Chris, or I'll mention the photos you used to show around the CSC!

    
    Interesting - I hired a 214 for a UK holiday last week and it did not
    have this vice - in fact it had very few vices at all and it used 113.4
    litres of unleaded in 1,075 miles - a very light thirst.
    
    It did have an aggravating whine which was related to where the wipers
    parked !  I liked it and understood why the report from NEC said that
    there is a waiting list for the beast !
    
    
    Roger

Roger, I'm amazed you got 43 MPG! 

The best I've managed has been 36, averaging 31-32 MPG, and believe me I've 
tried hard to improve on this.

Another reason for fond reminiscing over the old GTI......sigh.

Mike

    I drive a 214 SLi and never get less than 36 mpg and regularly get 38+
    mpg, without trying too hard !!
    
    
    Shaun

OK, my right foot's going on a diet for a while to prove a point!

However, (he suggests desperately!) I wonder if the cow in my tank is drinking 
some of my precious litres!

Mike

    As mentioned before a friend has a 214 that moo's and has taken it to
    the garage on routine services and asked them to check it out. 
    
    On the first visit they said that was the first car they had heard 
    imitating a cow (hard to believe when you consider how many there are)
    and said that they had fixed it!!!!  They had'nt (surprise)
    
    On the second visit they came out with the same old crap about never
    hearing this before???? But we have fixed it sir (bullshit!!)
    
    And so it goes on, that elusive cow is still at large
    
    Martin
    

    Now had my 416 a month, no sign of a moo!. Must be exclusive to either
    200's or the 1.4 engined models.
    
    Richard (not driving a cow :-) )

 Not sure whether it is what you are on about, but I passed a 214 last night,
and heard what sounded more like an electric pump for a short burst, but the 
car had, I am sure, been there before we went into the pub, so it would have 
been there for around an hour. Does this mean that it can happe at any time ???

		 Alan
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< Note 1205.14 by JUNO::WOOD "Scalpel, scissors, replace head ......." >


>and heard what sounded more like an electric pump for a short burst,
> it would have been there for around an hour. Does this mean that it can 
>happen at any time ???


Describes the symptoms perfectly. There seems to be no rhyme nor reason to 
the timing - I've been aware of it right through the night on occasion!

Maybe I should approach Anchor butter and get the car into their next ads!

mike

    I'm amazed that you can hear anything above the radio Mike. I remember
    when your Golf made a Noise like a PIG.
    
    	ROAD HOG!.
    

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>>    Now had my 416 a month, no sign of a moo!. Must be exclusive to either
>>    200's or the 1.4 engined models.
    
    Well I had a hire 416 for a couple of days last week and guess what?.
    
    Occasionally when I got in, or turned on the ignition I heared it
    'MOO'. Sounds to me like the tank or the pump venting. However, I still
    haven't heared it in my own 416. 
    
    So it's got to be fixable, if you can identify the cause.
    
    Richard 

    I've got a couple of Honda Civics both 1396cc ... and ... they both
    make these wonderful cow noise. I spoke to Honda who said it was
    venting but ...
    
    	One of the cars has been sitting in the Garage for the last 8 weeks
    (except for occasional start + short drive to stop thing seizing) and
    even though I remove and replaced the filler cap the car was still
    mooing (loudly) after 7-days locked up in the garage (away from the
    fields).
    
    	Rik.
    
    PS My neighbours kids thing its great fun and want to know why
    ``daddies'' car (a new shape BMW 735i) won't talk to them - perhaps BM
    should offer this a yet another optional extra ?

Talking of "venting out", the average cow produces 500,000 cm3 of methane per 
day - could there be a connection between this and the mooing sound?!

Steve

RE; -.1

I know, I know. However, which sounds the more impressive!

:-)

Steve

>>Talking of "venting out", the average cow produces 500,000 cm3 of methane per 
>>day - could there be a connection between this and the mooing sound?!


So.... all I have to do is work out how to use the methane as fuel and increase 
my MPG figure that way!


I'm going to raise this whole issue with the garage at next service time. The 
neighbours are getting annoyed by the nocturnal emissions (but that's another
story!)

Well, today the car is in to rectify the problem (hopefully). 

There's a hot-off-the-presses new 3-way fuel tank vent which should solve the
moo-nlight seranades. As this is the first one that the local garage has to 
fit, they can't yet guarantee the fix - I'll be sure to let them know if it
doesn't!

When I asked about fuel consumption, I was told that 34MPG is the figure that
they hear customers talking about a lot. Not impressive, but not far off what
I've been achieving, so I'll have to accept it.

I read in a magazine yesterday that 16v engines need to be worked hard, and
that unless the Rover is driven above 5000rpm the driver "would wonder what all
the fuss was about". I dread to think what my fuel consumption would be if I
were to use those revs! (Hmmmm, think I'll experiment a bit...)

Mike

    >>      <<< Note 1205.23 by KERNEL::ROE "3.16 - know what I mean, John?"
    
    I read in a magazine yesterday that 16v engines need to be worked hard,
    and that unless the Rover is driven above 5000rpm the driver "would
    wonder what all the fuss was about". I dread to think what my fuel
    consumption would be if I were to use those revs! (Hmmmm, think I'll
    experiment a bit...)
    <<<
    
    Don't really agree, yes, to get the EXTRA performance you need to be up
    that top end, but having driven a montego 1.6 for a few days, going
    back to my Rover 1.6 is a revelation. Even when pootling along in the
    2-4K revs (diesel :-}) range.
    
    Richard

    Re .23
�    consumption would be if I were to use those revs! (Hmmmm, think I'll
    
    What do you mean ?  a '16V' badge and you don't rev it !
    
    Re .24
�          -< Mine still doesn't moo, am I missing out on something? >-
    
    I think you need to use Anchor Butter !
    
    Re both
    
    My understanding of 16V engines is that having double the number of
    valves gives increased area for gas flow.
    At low revs, this can give _worse_ engine performance than against
    a similar 8V engine.
    At high revs, the increased gas flow pays benefits in higher
    performance.
    Overall, I think an engine can be set up to gain more from either
    one or the other of these modes.  A 16V engine can be economical
    if it is designed to be so (better gas flow can increase efficiency
    in the combustion chamber), OR it can be no better (or worse) than
    the 8V version, BUT being capable of delivering more outright BHP.
    
    Of what has been described, think of the Honda V-TEC engine,
    the extra complexity can only deliver benefits when the
    higher reaches of the rev band are really *used*...
    
    J.R.

    Has anyone actually had their mooing Rover fixed yet? Now the warmer
    weather is with us, the mooing from the drive is getting to me! The
    local Rover garage claims that they can't fix it :-(
    
    Lisa.
    

Re .-1

After the mod fitted (see .23) by the garage, I've not had the problem at all.

It IS fixable! Ask the garage about the new 3-way valve that Rover have made 
available. I can get moo-re details from Hadley Rover garage in Basingstoke if
you still have problems....


Surely a bark would be better advertising than a moo, for a Rover?


Mike

    Re: .-1 and the proposed Bark!
    
    Only as long as it was worse than it's bite!

    Moo-ing
    
    Well having said I've never heared this 'moo-ing' on my 416, I must now
    change that to I've ONCE heared it. I was moving wheels around, and had
    the car jacked up rear O/S and it did it a couple of times as the car
    was rocked.
    
    Electrics
    Never had the slightest trouble
    
    Can I suggest we take this to note 793 which is more generally about
    the Rover 200/400, and leave this topic for the silly old moo's.
    
    Richard

Mine does it too! I can't hear it from inside
the car, only when I'm washing it. Loosening
and tightening the petrol cap seems to give
me a pretty good workaround.


Ian