Conference terri::cars_uk

also note 958

Also, try using Hammerite (the exterior version). It may be expensive but it 
really does work !. Not only does it 'eat' existing rust but you can guarantee
you won't get rust in that same place again.

/Steve

    
    Rust ! . It's only a matter of time..
    
    I hear there's a guy in DECpark who buys rusty Jap cars, runs them into the
    ground , trades them in and makes a profit !.  Can't think of  his
    name ?.
          
    But I agree with -1, Hammerite usually does the job. Once you've
    treated all your rusty area's give the whole car a good coat of WAXOIL.
    
    Steve. :-)

    Interesting !!! For some time now I have been aware that most of the
    Classic Car type magazines are sponsered by the company who produces
    Hammerite and WAXOIL. 

    Now it looks like it's spreading to this conference :-}

re -2

Steve, the aforementioned green machine was losing bodyweight at an alarming
rate. This was advantageous since the power to weight ratio was increasing
daily. A few more months and I'd have had a car with Lotus 7 performance :-)

    In a recent Which? report Waxoyl didn't come out particularly well.
    I think Corroless (and maybe one other which I can't remember) came
    out best buy.

What areas of a car are these sorts of rust eating products suitable for?
I've got a touch of rust on my wheel sills and between some of the body panels
on my VW van - and would like to improve things before the onset of the
cold, salty Swiss winter. I'd prefer to keep the aesthetic appeal of my 
combi ( :-) ) and not have a splotchy finish.

Can you repaint on top of these sorts of products - is the surface smooth,
and will it take paint?

Cheers

Steve 

As this seems to be the official rust note, I thought that I'd include a review
by the Swiss TCS (AA/RAC equivalent) of what they thought of the anti-rust
guarantees offered by the major manufacturers.

This survey may be of interest to the two people in this notes conference who
actually buy their own cars (and earn less than �70,000! :-) )

Cheers

Steve


Make         Guarantee  Guarantee       TCS    Comments
	     period     introduced     Rating
                        in which year

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1.1  Audi    10 years   25.3.78         ++     No control or servicing required

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2.1  Honda    6 years   01.1.84         +      During the period of the 
2.2  Opel     6 years   27.8.87         +      guarantee no control or servicing
2.3  Seat     6 years    end 84         +      required. N.B. With Opel and
2.4  Toyota   6 years   01.1.87         +      Toyota the guarantee is new
2.5  VW       6 years   25.3.78         +      and applicable retrospectively
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3.1  Fiat     6 years   01.1.86         o      There are checks which whilst
3.2  Lancia   6 years   01.1.86         o      free, can invalidate the
3.3  Renault  6 years        74         o      guarantee if they're missed
3.4  Volvo    8 years    end 86         o      
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4.1  BMW      6 years        74         -      You have to pay for the checks
4.2  Citro�n  6 years   01.8.87         -      and will invalidate the
4.3  Daihatsu 6 years        82         -      guarantee if they're missed.
4.4  Ford     6 years   01.2.82         -      Ford and Subaru checks do not
4.5  Mitsubishi 6 years      84         -      cost money if you're having
4.6  Peugeot  6 years        80         -      the car serviced at the same
4.7  Subaru   6 years        87         -      time 
4.8  Suzuki   6 years        87         -
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5.1  Alfa Romeo 6 years 01.2.84         --     You have to pay for the checks, 
5.2  Chrysler 6 years        88         --     and have supplementary work done
5.3  Hyundai  6 years        90         --     on the car (except for Lada,
5.4  Isuzu    6 years    mid 87         --     Mercedes and Saab, of course!!)
5.5  Lada     1 year    not offered     --     The anti-rust guarantee will be
5.6  Mercedes 1 year    not offered     --     invalidated if the checks are
5.7  Mazda    6 years   01.1.85         --     missed.
5.8  Nissan   6 years   01.1.88         --     N.B. Examples of supplementary
5.9  Rover    6 years  April 87         --     work include an obligation to
5.10 Saab     1 year    not offered     --     have all servicing done by the
                                               main dealer and to have to
                                               get exchange parts from the 
                                               dealer
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Comments:For cars which get a bad rating (4.1-4.8), you must observe the 
checks strictly - or invalidate the guarantee. In the case of the cars
regarded as very bad (5.1-5.10) we recommend that you have the
car treated with an anti-rust agent. This applies in particular to Alfa
Romeo, Mazda and Nissan which are very vulnerable to rust. We do not have
enough customer examples to comment on Chrysler, Hyundai, Isuzu, Lada, Seat
and Rover.
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Marks:  ++ very good; + good; o satisfactory; - bad; -- very bad